THe PC Police Again Shut Down Truth Seaking

@mysteryman,

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That has already happened. Firemen used to be strong enough to carry another man down a ladder. Now there are women who cant do that, so they have to "man" the hoses
The statement by you that I quoted shows your complete ignorance about how firefighters work and how different firefighters are assigned their roles on a fire.

So the women that forced their way into the fire department are just as strong as the men they replaced ?

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@Ionus,

Strength has little to do with fire fighting.
Yes, it is important, but there is more to firefighting then just that.

BTW, I am a firefighter so I know what I'm talking about.

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@mysteryman,

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BTW, I am a firefighter so I know what I'm talking about.

Talk to the others on this thread...expert status means nothing..unless it is only the military that can not be experts...that may be what they mean.

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Yes, it is important, but there is more to firefighting then just that.

Certainly. But if a man has to be carried out of a building, is a woman going to do that ? If a man has to do it, then with less men and more women we are putting less men in harms way more. What if we had 50% firewomen ? Or even more ? Can the work still be done as effectively ? If strength is unimportant, why do you guys do strength training ?

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@Ionus,

Ionus wrote:

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You are intellectually dishonest.
You are a spoilt brat who demands a yes or no answer to a complex question. Explain quantum theory by answering yes or no...

Standing up and telling us whether you consider the U.S. military to be an effective fighting force is hardly explaining quantum theory. Get over yourself.

The fact is that you are unwilling to answer the question because you don't like the conclusion to which it leads.

Be a man, and tell us if you think the U.S. has an effective military. Or be a gay weasel and continue to refuse to do so.

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@DrewDad,

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There is no further point in engaging you in this debate,

Apparently you were wrong yet again. Doesnt it bother you to be wrong ?

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Standing up and telling us whether you consider the U.S. military to be an effective fighting force is hardly explaining quantum theory.

You are right. It would be harder to explain a military to someone like you.

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The fact is that you are unwilling to answer the question because you don't like the conclusion to which it leads.

The fact is left whingers live in a black and white world. Why wont the world do as you tell them ? Stupid world, isnt it diddims ?

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Be a man, and tell us if you think the U.S. has an effective military.

You think talking about the military is manly ? Do you bar up thinking about all those men in uniform ? You have made it clear you dont even understand the terminology that would be used. But you want a yes or no answer ? This is typical of you bigots, all demand and no intelligence.

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@Ionus,

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There is no further point in engaging you in this debate,
Apparently you were wrong yet again. Doesnt it bother you to be wrong ?

I'm not engaging you in debate. I'm calling you a pussy because you won't man up and take a stand, Nancy.

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@DrewDad,

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I'm not engaging you in debate. I'm calling you a pussy because you won't man up and take a stand, Nancy.

Are we having a lovers tiff toyboy ? dont say anything we cant come back from....

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@Ionus,

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You think talking about the military is manly?

I think that taking a stand takes a certain amount of moral courage, which you seem to lack.

It just makes you seem cowardly, the way you keep dodging the question.

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You have made it clear you dont even understand the terminology that would be used.

Big talk, from a coward. Why don't you write down what you need to write to answer the question, and let me deal with any terminology that I have trouble with, m'kay?

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@DrewDad,

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I think that taking a stand takes a certain amount of moral courage, which you seem to lack.

You stood for your country for how long ??

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It just makes you seem cowardly, the way you keep dodging the question.

In your opinion. And if I wanted your opinion I could get it from any leftist coffee club in the world. Those places are full of heroes like you. Self proclaimed veterans who knock the military because they are scared. They have power issues and they cant understand why the world will not do what they tell it.

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Big talk, from a coward.

Foolish talk from an arsehole who has done what ? What have you done with your life ? Insulted people who have served their country while you whine about how bad it is to be homosexual. Dont take it personally, but you can always get a sex change.

Isnt it horrible when the world wont follow your instructions and tells you point blank your are a ******* idiot for overlooking the most simple problems ? If you were in the same room as me you would **** your little panties. Would that be a turn on or a turn off for your friendly friends ?

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@Ionus,

The most frightening thing about you, Ionus, is that you seem unaware of your ignorance.

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@Ionus,

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Isnt it horrible when the world wont follow your instructions and tells you point blank your are a ******* idiot for overlooking the most simple problems ?

You do realize that the entire purpose of this site is to exchange knowledge, right? That's kinda why people come here. So exchange some knowledge, instead of sounding like a fool saying "your are".

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If you were in the same room as me you would **** your little panties.

Riiiiight. Because it takes a really tough guy to anonymously threaten people over the Internet, right?

You're in a battle of wits, not a fist fight, and it seems you've left your ammo stuffed up your butt.

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@wandeljw,

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The most frightening thing about you, Ionus,
is that you seem unaware of your ignorance.

Ionus is not frightening. In a worst-case scenario:
exactly WHAT is there to fear from Ionus?? Will u explain that ??

According to your reasoning (?),
if Ionus is AWARE of his ignorance,
then he is NOT frightening; is that accurate ?

David

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@OmSigDAVID,

I'm gonna have to go with David on this one.

It's pathetic and sad that Ianus is unaware of his ignorance, but neither frightening nor particularly surprising.

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@hawkeye10,

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You mean the same Dutch officers who was looking for some reason other then their own lacks of abilities in leading their men
could be, it would have been nice to get to the bottom of the truth, those of us without top secret security clearances.

Having the right security clearance means nothing, if one does not "have a need to know."

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@Ionus,

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Well of course you would say that. You have made no sense from the beginning and have been playing catch up with your knowledge of the military .

And yet you possess a seemingly intimate knowledge of homosexuals.

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So you accept the aternative ? Homosexual men want to serve with heterosexual men because they like the idea of converting them ? What is so special about serving with men that the homosexual males and women want to serve with them ? The shower room view ?

So, either gays don't want to serve in segregated units because they're repulsed by other gays or because they want to convert heterosexuals? Those are the only options? Really, this must be some kind of elaborate joke.

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Be honest: is this because your butch boyfriend is in the military and wants to exhibit gay pride ?

I'd ask him, but he's too busy having it off with your mum.

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I dont think there is much about sex to be proud about. Shall we have men parade down the streets proclaiming : Hey everyone ! I stick my cock in cunts not arseholes and I am proud of it ! Or women saying I love cock but not licking cunts ! Feel any straight pride yet ?

Well, when you say it like that...

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No, now you are playing dumb to twist things. The equivalent is heterosexuals serving in their own units. So why do homosexuals like it anyway ?

No, my analogy was pretty apt. You don't think it's a valid objection to serving in segregated units to say "I don't want to." But then that's the only reason that some heterosexuals don't want to serve with gays. If homosexuals shouldn't be allowed to use the "I don't want to" excuse, then neither should heterosexuals.

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Because we are talking about homosexuals in the military. Are you playing dumb in the vain hope I will feel embarrassed for this one sided debate ? Are you trying to get the sympathy vote for being cleary handicapped ?

You are talking about what homosexuals want and don't want. Indeed, you think you know what they desire and what they detest. Surely those are subjects that go beyond the confines of the military. You've set yourself up as an expert on homosexuality (far more so than your presumed expertise on the military, of which I have, so far, seen no evidence whatsoever), yet you claim you've had no experience as a homosexual. So either you can comment intelligently on these matters, even though you are not a member of that group, or else you can comment on these matters intelligently and are a member of that group, or else you can't comment intelligently on these matters at all. Take your pick.

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I am sorry you have to leave, but as you pointed out, you are not knowledgable about the military and can not comment. I will continue to give expert advice to the general public.

I'm not going anywhere. And the next time you offer expert advice on this forum, on any subject, will be the first time.

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@Ionus,

You are being an idiot.
I served in the military for over 20 years. I served with men that were gay, and they didnt deny it or hide it.
There was never any problems with them being gay, nor did they ever attempt to "convert" anyone.
They did their jobs, they were valuable members of our unit, and there were never any problems with them being gay.

You should really think about what you are saying and listen to people that have "been there, done that", instead of talking out your hat.

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@mysteryman,

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You should really think about what you are saying and listen to people that have "been there, done that", instead of talking out your hat.

OK, let's do that:

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In the most recent poll announced by the Military Times newspapers, in answer to the question “Do you think openly homosexual people should be allowed to serve in the military?” 30% of the active duty military subscriber respondents said Yes, but 59% said No, 10% having No Opinion. The same percentage, 59% in opposition, was reported by the Military Times survey in 2006 (Army Times, Jan. 8, 2007).

http://www.cmrlink.org/HMilitary.asp?docID=287

You all hate Ionus's position, but you cant refute the arguments. Blowing him off as an idiot only works on those who are too stupid to know that his arguments are sound.

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@hawkeye10,

His arguments are not sound.
Just because 59% might have opposed it, doesnt mean that gays are going to create tension and try to "convert" anyone.
That is what he seems to be argueing, and that position is idiotic.

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@hawkeye10,

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You all hate Ionus's position, but you cant refute the arguments.

What arguments?

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@mysteryman,

His argument is that allowing gays to serve openly will hurt the effort that is the primary mission. I believe in the people, so when 60% of the force says that they don' think this policy is a good Idea I assume that they know what they are talking about, and that they believe that letting gays serve openly will hurt the effort, just as Ionus says.

At the end of the year a detailed study of the opinions and concerns of the force will be ready for the Pentagon...hopefully it will be released. I have every confidence that it will say that the majority of the force supports Ionus's position over yours.

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