THe PC Police Again Shut Down Truth Seaking

@Ionus,

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The art of politics lies in the compromise.

You're a strange one, Ionus. You tell of a personal situation where there was no compromise. You tell of officers who threatened to resign unless they got their way. You defend bigotry, suggesting it's a good thing and then whine when I point out that the military has to follow the rules, the laws set down by civilian authority.

What part of this don't you understand?

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@Ionus,

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When it comes to the war crimes most of that was done by or ordered by the Taliban and their muslim terrorists.

Wrong. As I mentioned, do a count of the number of people killed by these so called terrorists and them compare that to the number killed by western nations.

Terror isn't the sole province of western nations but they've been the world leaders for well over a century.

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@Ionus,

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What is wrong with Americans and their guilt trip

It sure as **** is not a guilt trip....we have a justified high opinion of ourselves, based upon historical behavior, and we did not live up to our own standards here. My wife is currently it Iraq, as such I am irate that we have treated "terrorists" without regard to the Geneva Conventions, because we no longer have a right to demand such treatment for our own. This is her third time in Iraq, she will probably do at least one more tour, the next time in Afghanistan, and because of the nature of her job she travels a lot and thus is at high risk. What the American government has done that puts her life and well being at risk makes me positively sick. I GET where JTT is coming from, but she blames the wrong people because she has not taken the time to educate herself.

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@JTT,

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You defend bigotry, suggesting it's a good thing and then whine

No doubt you will be giving examples to justify your personal attacks. Assuming any personal attacks are justified in the first place.

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What part of this don't you understand?

This assumes you are correct. This assumes I dont understand. You are over rating your ability and your understanding by hoping arrogance and personal attacks prove your point for you. This is not going to happen. Soon I will attack you personally.

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@JTT,

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do a count of the number of people killed by these so called terrorists and them compare that to the number killed by western nations.

I have done that. Clearly you can not add up.

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Terror isn't the sole province of western nations but they've been the world leaders for well over a century.

Oh please ! What dribble. Only you can save us. Only you are righteous. We are all evil and dont understand. Or you are bordering on being a psychopath and think shrill hysteria replaces debate. Maybe if you threw in another couple of lines from the Vietnam protestors handbook.

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@Ionus,

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I have done that.

And ????

While you're at it, count the number of times that the USA has had their government overthrown and a dictatorship put in. Do the same for Australia, France, the UK.

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Oh please ! What dribble. Only you can save us. Only you are righteous. We are all evil and dont understand.

This isn't about me, Ionus. Do your math and you'll see.

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@hawkeye10,

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we have a justified high opinion of ourselves, based upon historical behavior,

No, based upon propaganda.

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@JTT,

The point is any war can be analysed and found to have caused great harm. I dont wish to pick on the USA, you have JTT for that....but the War of Independance, the Civl War, the Indian Wars, in fact ALL wars fought by anyone have things that are disgusting to a civilised mind. Big bloody deal. What good comes out of the war, that is the question.

We will be fighting terrorists for many years to come. Where should we do that and how should we do that...

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@Ionus,

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No doubt you will be giving examples to justify your personal attacks.

No personal attacks. Have you not stated that women and gays should not be allowed in the same military "groups" as straights?

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M-W:

bigot

: one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/bigot

You say it's a good thing, that it helps "group" cohesiveness. But you, your own experience, tell of a military that has no sense of right/justice/fair treatment at all; it's just toe the line buddy, do as we say, don't make waves [even if you're justified].

Why on earth would any sane person want to allow narrow minded bigots/assholes like this to be deciding any type of policy with respect to human rights and human dignity.

Now what I have said is, "we", 'we' being countries that are governed by the rule of law, DO NOT allow the military to make such important decisions. Banana republics allow the military to decide how things should be done. "We" tell the military how things will be done.

Under the rule of law, when you deny to certain citizens rights enjoyed by others, that is bigotry.

Explain to me, if you wish, how your position doesn't involve bigotry.

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@JTT,

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Have you not stated that women and gays should not be allowed in the same military "groups" as straights?

I have not. I said they should not be allowed in combat roles unless they are in segregated units. All hetero male, all hetero female, all homosexual male, all homosexual female and we will see which outperforms which. A simple obstacle course will eliminate the females. An all homosexual male unit unit may outperform an all heterosexual male unit.

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You say it's a good thing, that it helps "group" cohesiveness. But you, your own experience, tell of a military that has no sense of right/justice/fair treatment at all; it's just toe the line buddy, do as we say, don't make waves [even if you're justified].

You say that as though there is a contradiction. There isnt.

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Under the rule of law, when you deny to certain citizens rights enjoyed by others, that is bigotry.

Definitions of bigotry on the Web: the intolerance and prejudice of a bigot
Definitions of bigot on the Web: a prejudiced person who is intolerant of any opinions differing from his own
Putting these together, we have bigotry is the prejudice of a person who is intolerant of any opinions differing from his own .

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Explain to me, if you wish, how your position doesn't involve bigotry.

I am listening to you.

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you deny to certain citizens rights enjoyed by others

I will accept that serving in a combat role is a right when society accepts that being a male mid-wife is a right. Male s are heavily prejudiced against in this area of employment. Clearly rights are not what is at stake, it is the desire to **** men.

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@Ionus,

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Or, in other words, all of your evidence is anecdotal.
Wrong. In a court of law I would be considered an expert and my opinion would count.

Experts offer opinions on technical matters that are outside the realm of the ordinary layman's knowledge. That opinion, however, must itself be based on actual facts. Your theories on "unit cohesion," however, are nothing more than undisguised bias, unconnected to any kind of fact or evidence. You offer no expert opinion, just more ill-informed prejudice.

Ionus wrote:

Selective reading on your part. I did provide evidence. Even if it is anecdotal as you falsely claim, it is still evidence.

Yes, it's evidence of your anecdotes.

Ionus wrote:

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hell, you haven't even explained what "unit cohesion" means.
Perhaps you should reconsider your ability to contribute.

And yet another opportunity to explain your position goes to waste.

Ionus wrote:

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Because they shouldn't have to serve in their own units.
Dont avoid the question. Why dont homosexuals and women want to serve in their own units ?

How can I avoid that question? You never asked me that question. You asked: "why wont homosexuals serve in their own units ?" I answered that question. As for why homosexuals and women don't want to serve in their own units, I don't know. Maybe they do. I've never seen any research on that subject, probably because it's an incredibly asinine question. You might as well ask why don't left-handed people want to serve in their own units.

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@joefromchicago,

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I said : Why wont women serve in their own units ? Why wont homosexuals serve in their own units ?
You said : Because they shouldn't have to serve in their own units.
You said : I answered that question.

No you didnt. You did a lousy job of avoiding it.The word wont is a contraction of will not. You answered they should not. One is about their will and the other is about your will. That is avoidance. This is the question rephrased as clearly you are having trouble with English.

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I said : Why dont homosexuals and women want to serve in their own units ?

Do you see the word want ? That implies that the real stumbling block is what they want . To which you replied

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I don't know.

At last we have identified an important part of the problem. You dont know.

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I've never seen any research on that subject,

I suggest to you that you wouldnt understand it anyway.

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You might as well ask why don't left-handed people want to serve in their own units.

You have almost demonstrated knowledge. There is an advantage to left handed people serving in the same unit, but your knowledge about the military is so poor you dont even know that. You think that :

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it's an incredibly asinine question.

Its a pity people like you are never around to benefit from your lovely personality and its irrational decisions but you are always elsewhere, looking for more rights to wrong. Isnt there a gay bar you can hang out in and annoy people there ? Watch out for those drinks with umbrellas in them. They will take your eye out before you get a chance to return fire.

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@Ionus,

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All hetero male, all hetero female, all homosexual male, all homosexual female and we will see which outperforms which.

For someone claiming to be concerned with unit cohesion, you seem rather eager to set our soldiers against each other.

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@Ionus,

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No you didnt. You did a lousy job of avoiding it.The word wont is a contraction of will not. You answered they should not. One is about their will and the other is about your will. That is avoidance. This is the question rephrased as clearly you are having trouble with English.

Fair enough. Let me amend my previous response: They won't serve in segregated units because they believe that they shouldn't have to.

Ionus wrote:

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I said : Why dont homosexuals and women want to serve in their own units ?
Do you see the word want ? That implies that the real stumbling block is what they want . To which you replied
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I don't know.
At last we have identified an important part of the problem. You dont know.

Well, neither do you. At least I admit it.

Ionus wrote:

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I've never seen any research on that subject,
I suggest to you that you wouldnt understand it anyway.

Nice little jab there, Sparky. What are you, eight years old? Does your mom know that you're using her computer?

Ionus wrote:

You have almost demonstrated knowledge. There is an advantage to left handed people serving in the same unit, but your knowledge about the military is so poor you dont even know that.

I'm sure everyone else would be enthralled with your explanation as to why an all left-handed military unit would be a good idea. Meanwhile, I'll still wait for you to explain your theories on "unit cohesion."

Ionus wrote:

Its a pity people like you are never around to benefit from your lovely personality and its irrational decisions but you are always elsewhere, looking for more rights to wrong. Isnt there a gay bar you can hang out in and annoy people there ? Watch out for those drinks with umbrellas in them. They will take your eye out before you get a chance to return fire.

It's sweet of you to think only of my personal safety.

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@Ionus,

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The point is any war can be analysed and found to have caused great harm.

evasion evasion evasion and then to crown it all, a large dollop of evasion.

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We will be fighting terrorists for many years to come.

Blowback, caused by y'all sticking your noses into other people's business, stealing other people's resources, treating them like servants.

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@JTT,

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evasion evasion evasion and then to crown it all, a large dollop of evasion.

You think what I see as the main point is evasion ? Confusion, evasion, hysteria and then to crown it all, a large dollop of arrogance.

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Blowback, caused by y'all sticking your noses into other people's business,

Somewhat risky for you to mention sticking noses into other peoples business isnt it ? That could backfire. You support terrorism ?

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stealing other people's resources, treating them like servants.

Stealing ? Servants ? Is this confusion or hysteria ? I dont own any servants. What did I steal ?

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@joefromchicago,

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They won't serve in segregated units because they believe that they shouldn't have to.

I believe that is incorrect. They want to serve with men. Women and homosexuals like the idea of all those macho types. If it was simply to serve, why do they find the surrounds of like minded people so repulsive ?

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Does your mom know that you're using her computer?

No, she is busy having it off with your mum.

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I'm sure everyone else would be enthralled with your explanation as to why an all left-handed military unit would be a good idea. Meanwhile, I'll still wait for you to explain your theories on "unit cohesion."

You have to know SOMETHING of a topic to be involved in it. Have you served in any armed forces ? Where do I begin to give you basic knowledge required to keep up with the concepts ? Do I care enough about your opinion to educate you ? Probably not.

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It's sweet of you to think only of my personal safety.

Yes. Yes it is. That is what we do in the army.

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@Diest TKO,

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For someone claiming to be concerned with unit cohesion, you seem rather eager to set our soldiers against each other.

If you knew enough about the military to comment you would know that inter-unit rivalry is a good thing. Helps develop morale and cohesion.

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@Ionus,

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For someone claiming to be concerned with unit cohesion, you seem rather eager to set our soldiers against each other.
If you knew enough about the military to comment you would know that inter-unit rivalry is a good thing. Helps develop morale and cohesion.

Nice Backstroke!

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@Diest TKO,

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Nice Backstroke!

Thank you but you have never seen me swim.

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