THe PC Police Again Shut Down Truth Seaking

@JTT,

Tell me what you want the world to do...I am all ears.

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@JTT,

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You want the ignorant assholes that you've just been complaining about deciding which citizens should have access to jobs in the military.

If this is a problem, your solution is....

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@Ionus,

I'm surprised that you have to ask.

The rule of law which is already in place in pretty much every civilized country in the world except for that bastion of freedom, the US of A.

Kinda ironic, isn't it, considering all the hoohaw the world hears about freedom and justice.

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@JTT,

To you the problem is :

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You want the ignorant assholes that you've just been complaining about deciding which citizens should have access to jobs in the military.

To you the solution is :

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The rule of law which is already in place in pretty much every civilized country in the world except for that bastion of freedom, the US of A.

I am trying to understand what you mean but you are at best, vague.

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Lord the nuts cases are out if force on this thread!

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@Ionus,

I've not been vague from the outset, Ionus. The top brass are given the following commands:

1. this is the law.

2. you are to ensure that it is put into effect, effectively, or your heads are gonna roll.

3. If we even get wind of you not actively, judiciously and with appropriate fervor, your balls come off then your head will roll.

End of discussion, save for reports on how it's going and what finishing touches need to be added.

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@JTT,

You JTT are annoying, you rant and rave about the failure of the military and yet you have not educated yourself about what happened.

The truth is that the Bush administration went outside of the military chain of command, they took what would normally be military functions away from the military. A lot of stuff got contracted out to civilian firms, which may or may not be criminal but it was certainly a bad move.

When it comes to the war crimes most of that was done by or ordered by the CIA and their contractors, all of which is secret. The CIA was put in charge, the military was ordered to follow the lead of the CIA, to do as they were told.

It is a tough call on should our military officers have been more willing to refuse the orders. Bush through Rummie made a clear impression on the chain of command that questioning these orders was insubordination and would result in the end of ones career. Bush has also already wholesale dismissed his officers opinions when it came to planning the removal of Saddam. These officers were faced with the choice of following orders or else stand up an object and get mowed down....there was no chance of being able to change events.

You are right in your understanding of the wrong that was committed, but your blame in my opinion is mostly misplaced.

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@hawkeye10,

a very tough call, but i wish a few had bucked the chain of command

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@djjd62,

My opinion is that the officers at the time are not much responsible for what happened, though the senior officers in this case and in many others demonstrated a stunning lack of balls. We had a weak generation of officers, at exactly the wrong time.

Bush and Rumsfield knew that they could be bullied, and they did it very successfully.

I place the major blame for war crimes on the civilian leadership, and upon the CIA.

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@hawkeye10,

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When it comes to the war crimes most of that was done by or ordered by the CIA and their contractors, all of which is secret. The CIA was put in charge, the military was ordered to follow the lead of the CIA, to do as they were told.

It is a tough call on should our military officers have been more willing to refuse the orders.

It's a well established principle that no soldier, let alone an officer, has to obey what amounts to a crime. Whenever and wherever these situations occurred, the whole shootin' match, top to bottom are guilty of war crimes.

Hitler and the boys had a lot of stuff that was secret. "secret" doesn't absolve anyone of war crimes/crimes against humanity.

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@hawkeye10,

hawkeye10 wrote:

I place the major blame for war crimes on the civilian leadership, and upon the CIA.

i place all the blame on those folks

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@hawkeye10,

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The truth is that the Bush administration went outside of the military chain of command, they took what would normally be military functions away from the military. A lot of stuff got contracted out to civilian firms, which may or may not be criminal but it was certainly a bad move.

WTF does this have to do with women and gays/their roles in the military?

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@JTT,

Id guess that only about 20% of the posts in this thread have any direct relationship to the thread topic, including a lot of what you have said, so what is your objection to being off topic now, after almost 300 posts??

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@hawkeye10,

Have you come down with a sudden case of msolga fever, Hawkeye? Admittedly, there have been some forks in the road so addressing that particular fork,

WTF does this have to do with women and gays/their roles in the military?

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@BillRM,

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.Lord the nuts cases are out if force on this thread!

You are a little puppy running around nipping at heels. Be careful you dont attract attention by making a serious statement.

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@djjd62,

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i wish a few had bucked the chain of command

For the good of the military, I did for different reasons under different circumstances and it was an unmitigated disaster.

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@hawkeye10,

Many of these officers threatened resignation en masse if homosexuals were allowed to serve in the military, that was when the compromise of dont ask dont tell was instigated. Since then, the politicans have moved to ensure more yes men and less independant thinkers are in charge.

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@Ionus,

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Many of these officers threatened resignation en masse if homosexuals were allowed to serve in the military,

Those aren't officers, those are scumbuckets. They should have let them resign, brought them back as enlisted soldiers under that "stop loss deal" and sent them to move sand around in the Iraqi desert.

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@hawkeye10,

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When it comes to the war crimes most of that was done by or ordered by the CIA and their contractors

When it comes to the war crimes most of that was done by or ordered by the Taliban and their muslim terrorists. What is wrong with americans and their guilt trip ? Is this some sort of internal power struggle, where devoid of outside threats to their existence, americans get bored and turn on each other ? I know it is a part of democracy, but you guys seem to overdo it and JTT has a pathological dislike of anything but anarchy. I wonder if the Taliban would tolerate JTT's criticism of their movement from within.

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@JTT,

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Those aren't officers, those are scumbuckets. They should have let them resign, brought them back as enlisted soldiers under that "stop loss deal" and sent them to move sand around in the Iraqi desert.

The art of politics lies in the compromise. Have you ever tried to compromise with anyone or is it always your way or the highway. I bet if anyone goes on strike you want to fire everyone and hang the consequences. This is a degree of bloody mindedness that is unnatural and uncalled for.

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