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JTT
 
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Reply Mon 5 Apr, 2010 11:31 pm
@Ionus,
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I said they should not be allowed in combat roles unless they are in segregated units.


That is bigotry. Maintaining that people should be segregated on the basis of race, creed, color, sexual orientation is bigotry. No ands, ifs or buts.

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You say that as though there is a contradiction. There isnt.


There is something very wrong about a military that is patently unfair, where crimes can be committed and all there is is a cover up. Don't you find it at all odd that the military is more communistic than communist countries.

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Definitions of bigotry on the Web: the intolerance and prejudice of a bigot
Definitions of bigot on the Web: a prejudiced person who is intolerant of any opinions differing from his own
Putting these together, we have bigotry is the prejudice of a person who is intolerant of any opinions differing from his own .


We're discussing a different form of bigotry. I'm listening to you too, but I'm telling you that the military is not the body to be making decisions about human rights.

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I will accept that serving in a combat role is a right when society accepts that being a male mid-wife is a right. Males are heavily prejudiced against in this area of employment. Clearly rights are not what is at stake, it is the desire to **** men.


I don't know of anywhere where males can't be mid wives. Do you? But even if there are, pointing out one area that needs work doesn't mean other areas can't be made just.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 5 Apr, 2010 11:50 pm
@JTT,
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That is bigotry. Maintaining that people should be segregated on the basis of race, creed, color, sexual orientation is bigotry. No ands, ifs or buts
SO WHAT!

I dont happen to agree with Ionus but when you and a whole lot of other fools start talking about how such and such must be wrong because your preconceived ideas tell you that it must be wrong, you lose me. we should have outgrown that idiocy back in the dark ages.

Look at facts and evidence, put your brain into action, and prove your position.
JTT
 
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Reply Mon 5 Apr, 2010 11:55 pm
@hawkeye10,
I'm quite sure that we can afford to lose you, Hawkeye. SO WHAT to bigotry. What we outgrew, at least the civilized folk have is bigotry. Does it surprise me that the military has bigots, no, not at all.

But the point is, those idiots are not to be trusted nor is there behavior to be condoned or given credence.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Tue 6 Apr, 2010 12:00 am
@JTT,
I am Zen, we dont believe that there is even one thing or one idea that is always good or always bad. Everything needs to be reproven.

I got over letting ugly names decide what I did when I was 7, I am not impressed with your bigotry mud slinging.
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Ionus
 
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Reply Tue 6 Apr, 2010 12:13 am
@JTT,
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Maintaining that people should be segregated on the basis of race, creed, color, sexual orientation is bigotry.
Those groups are exactly what people segregate them selves into.
Is it just age or am I the only one who remembers when it was colour and religion ? When will it turn into physical and mental handicaps ?
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There is something very wrong about a military that is patently unfair, where crimes can be committed and all there is is a cover up.
Am I to believe you know about crimes but you have not approached anyone in authority ?
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Don't you find it at all odd that the military is more communistic than communist countries.
It is not a democracy. Who wants to attack the enemy ? Are you kidding ? In these high heels ? Not me I have a date with George, Bill, Sue, Bruce and Ann but not you ....you can go wank because you are too butch for my licking.
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I'm telling you that the military is not the body to be making decisions about human rights.
It isnt. I am a civilian.
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I don't know of anywhere where males can't be mid wives. Do you?
Yes. Everywhere. They can qualify but women will demand to have a female mid-wife.
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pointing out one area that needs work doesn't mean other areas can't be made just.
I would rather women were forced to accept male mid-wifes. They dont want them and wont trust them in a birth assistance. How is that dissimilar to men expressing reservations about women and homosexuals in combat ?

I still maintain society should drive the military. When society gets it all together than the military will change naturally. There is no need to 'make' the military do anything.

Experts who do not know what they are talking about are called voters.

How many women are prepared to be conscripted ?
Ionus
 
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Reply Tue 6 Apr, 2010 12:17 am
@JTT,
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those idiots are not to be trusted nor is there behavior to be condoned or given credence.
That is an example of bigotry. Change idiots and insert Jews, niggers, catholics, wogs, wet backs, etc...that statement is bigotted. We just have to agree on who to aim it at.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Tue 6 Apr, 2010 01:06 am
@Ionus,
Bigotry by definition demands intolerance, JTT and her ilk are in intolerant of those who demand that we deal with facts and evidence, who dont let the creed of the current social biases decide reality for us. I get that being a sheep is comforting, and that people need comforting in these scary times, but we dont have the luxury of indulging ourselves right now.
Diest TKO
 
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Reply Tue 6 Apr, 2010 01:30 am
@Ionus,
Ionus wrote:

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Nice Backstroke!
Thank you but you have never seen me swim.

I see you intellectually drowned daily. I'm somewhat relieved that if dropped in a lake you'd not perform as poorly at keeping afloat as you do in the waters of debate.

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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Tue 6 Apr, 2010 01:32 am
@Ionus,
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I still maintain society should drive the military. When society gets it all together than the military will change naturally. There is no need to 'make' the military do anything.
that ship has already sailed in America...because the military lends itself to social engineering it has been used as such....Order the military to reconfigure around the desired social change, and then use military members and their families to push the change into the wider society....that is the agenda.

It is ass back wards, the military has better things to do, and as might have been the case with the Dutch such radicalism does sometimes lead to or contribute to military defeat.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Tue 6 Apr, 2010 01:36 am
@Diest TKO,
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I'm somewhat relieved that if dropped in a lake you'd not perform as poorly at keeping afloat as you do in the waters of debate.

you never tire of telling someone they have failed, without bothering to lift a figure to prove or document your position, and then expecting to be believed.

You are not among children anymore....you need to step up your game.
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JTT
 
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Reply Tue 6 Apr, 2010 01:36 am
@Ionus,
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It is not a democracy. Who wants to attack the enemy ?


So, those in the military are merely brainless gorms who will commit any crime when ordered to do so. That's reassuring.

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Those groups are exactly what people segregate them selves into.


That's their choice. But that's vastly different from preventing people from equal opportunity because of the narrow minded views of bigots.


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They can qualify but women will demand to have a female mid-wife.
I would rather women were forced to accept male mid-wifes. They dont want them and wont trust them in a birth assistance. How is that dissimilar to men expressing reservations about women and homosexuals in combat ?


There you have it; "they can qualify" and not all women will demand to have a female mid wife. Please get your facts straight. All women don't demand to have a female doctor, but they can certainly choose one if they wish, just as I could choose a male doctor or a female doctor or a witch doctor.

Male mid wives aren't forced into a special group. Do you suggest that associations of mid wives exclude males?
Ionus
 
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Reply Tue 6 Apr, 2010 01:38 am
@Diest TKO,
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I see you intellectually drowned daily. I'm somewhat relieved that if dropped in a lake you'd not perform as poorly at keeping afloat as you do in the waters of debate.
Dont be scared to contribute. Personal attacks are what you are good at, but I dont want you to be a bitch about this. I want you to be honest and to declare any bias you may have...and feel free to say something that makes sense.

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JTT
 
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Reply Tue 6 Apr, 2010 01:45 am
@Ionus,
I wrote: those idiots are not to be trusted nor is there behavior to be condoned or given credence.

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That is an example of bigotry. Change idiots and insert Jews, niggers, catholics, wogs, wet backs, etc...that statement is bigotted. We just have to agree on who to aim it at.


No, it is not. Pointing out that someone is an idiot, and those who would force women and gays to be second class citizens are idiots. I don't propose that these idiots lose any of their rights as citizens.

I find it hard to understand why you think it an appealing position to be in supporting those who are bigots, Ionus.



Ionus
 
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Reply Tue 6 Apr, 2010 01:49 am
@JTT,
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those in the military are merely brainless gorms who will commit any crime when ordered to do so.
I am starting to get the impression you dont like the military. Why is this personal ? Were you raped by the 101st ?

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I said : Those groups are exactly what people segregate them selves into. You said : That's their choice.
Apparently it is NOT their choice. You are here to sort it all out and not take the consequences if it goes wrong.

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that's vastly different from preventing people from equal opportunity
It is not an equal opportunity employer. There are no handicapped people or metally challenged people.
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because of the narrow minded views of bigots.
Dont be hard on yourself. We have discussed your bigotry and it seems due to an hysterical reaction beyong your control.

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There you have it; "they can qualify" and not all women will demand to have a female mid wife.
The percentage of women happy with a male mid wife is less than the percentage of male soldiers happy with **** fests.

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Male mid wives aren't forced into a special group. Do you suggest that associations of mid wives exclude males?
Certainly not. I am suggesting that generals have the same rights as pregnant women and choose who they want.
JTT
 
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Reply Tue 6 Apr, 2010 01:52 am
@Ionus,
I wrote: Male mid wives aren't forced into a special group. Do you suggest that associations of mid wives exclude males?

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Certainly not. I am suggesting that generals have the same rights as pregnant women and choose who they want.


Your grasp of things legal is abysmal.
Ionus
 
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Reply Tue 6 Apr, 2010 02:10 am
@JTT,
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those who would force women and gays to be second class citizens
What is it about the military that you think is a right ? Shouldnt all citizens be conscripted ? We cant have anyone without rights.

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I find it hard to understand why you think it an appealing position to be in supporting those who are bigots
Just because you call them idiots or bigots does not make it true. I know it is impossible, but what if...just if mind....you were wrong ? How is your bigotry any different from the Klu Klux Klan ? You see yourself as a champion just like they do. You see yourself as fighting the good fight just like they do. You are prepared to villify and condemn whilst ignoring the failings in your argument. All this without the slightest bit of experience or knowledge and insulting those who do.

Your opinion in this matter is hysterical not rational. Just like the Nazis who persecuted Jews, you have it in for the military and are blaming them for too much. I would be more amiable to your argument if you werent so bitter and emotional.
Ionus
 
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Reply Tue 6 Apr, 2010 02:14 am
@JTT,
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Your grasp of things legal is abysmal.
Oh, I think I have a pretty good grasp of legal matters. Very Happy
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 6 Apr, 2010 02:17 am
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:
Bigotry by definition demands intolerance, JTT and her ilk are in intolerant of those who demand that we deal with facts and evidence, who dont let the creed of the current social biases decide reality for us. I get that being a sheep is comforting, and that people need comforting in these scary times, but we dont have the luxury of indulging ourselves right now.
Is JTT a female ?
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 6 Apr, 2010 02:22 am
@Ionus,

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I find it hard to understand why you think it an appealing position to be in supporting those who are bigots
Ionus wrote:
Just because you call them idiots or bigots does not make it true. I know it is impossible, but what if...just if mind....you were wrong ? How is your bigotry any different from the Klu Klux Klan ? You see yourself as a champion just like they do. You see yourself as fighting the good fight just like they do. You are prepared to villify and condemn whilst ignoring the failings in your argument. All this without the slightest bit of experience or knowledge and insulting those who do.

Your opinion in this matter is hysterical not rational. Just like the Nazis who persecuted Jews, you have it in for the military and are blaming them for too much. I would be more amiable to your argument if you werent so bitter and emotional.
That is quite eloquent, Ionus; it shows rare insight.





David
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Tue 6 Apr, 2010 02:28 am
@OmSigDAVID,
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Is JTT a female
according to a PM I got from JTT awhile back, yes.
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