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@JTT,

Your comment is reasonable but the army doesnt work like that. One rank up has total authority and total credibility in a military court. Nothing will interfere with the rank structure.

My career was threatened by my CO that if I didnt withdraw my complaint my next personnel report would delay my promotion for 3 years. I went straight to brigade and told them I was threatened by my CO and why. The officer involved disappeared, probably drummed out of the service. The CO is still there, never to be promoted. And I was a whistle blower

There is never an instance where whistle blowers are not worse off in the long term. AT A DIFFERENT UNIT, I was read the riot act...either leave or be court martialed and demoted/discharged. What was the basis for this ? It had nothing to do with the previous unit ( Very Happy

) it was due to my performance in the new unit (pigs bum it did - it was all fabricated without a word of truth). So I left the military. 24 years meant nothing to them. They will send you home to your loved ones in a plastic bag looking like dog food. What do they care about the individual ?

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@JTT,

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or a report to the police.

State Police have no authority on Federal Property.

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@Ionus,

I feel ya......one of my wifes bosses lived next door to us on base, he was highly respected Master Sergent. We had his daughter as our babysitter, and it turned out while she was sitting her brother molested our kids. We called the cops, and investigation was done, this **** had gotten to over half dozen kids at least. He was charged and convicted in Juvi court, but not till after my wifes reputation had been completely trashed around the base. This Master Sergent used every dollar he had and every angle he could think of to try to get his kid off. I think in his heart he could not believe that his kids did this, we had to be lieing. He wanted to destroy us, and he had a lot of friends.

The fact that he was found guilty probably helped to clear our name some.

The Army got us off that base ASAP but MI is a small field, everyone knows everyone no matter where they are around the world. The fact that we called the cops and all the nasty rumors spread about my wife was a problem at work for her for years. It was almost a career killer.

The point is military life is a different world than what civilians know.

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@hawkeye10,

No, hawkeye10, it is I who should try to sympathise with what happened to you and your family. My kids were not harmed, my wife was not slandered...it was me only and I am ugly enough to take knocks. Please mate, accept my best wishes for you and your loved ones.

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The point is military life is a different world than what civilians know.

Amen to that brother.

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@Ionus,

I appreciate the good wishes. It was a bad time for us, but it was over a decade ago, and everyone in the family is doing spectacularly well now.

What we had was a take-away that the Army supported right over wrong...with them moving us, being supportive of local law enforcements investigation, paying for loads of counseling, in the end the Master Sergeant was made to retire even though he had been till this thing with us been considered a shoe-in for Sergeant Major.

I am not sure that you feel similarly reassured that the institution is honorable based upon your experience.

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@hawkeye10,

The CO and I had to share a room at one stage. He came home late and showed symptoms of drug use as well as rubbing a puncture mark on the crease of his arm. I rather stupidly grabbed his arm and said something to the effect of "**** me you are doing hard drugs and you have to fly tomorrow"...he came out of his stupuor and raced outside.

I took too long in deciding what to do.....he used the time to slander me (I think he told everyone I was homosexual, as suddenly people came out of the woodwork...if we worked with foriegn soldiers even they dropped hints). When I went to a new unit I had a civilian car accident and couldnt shake the effects of it. Runs were voluntary for someone in my position but I couldnt do them. I was removed from flying as I now had so many symptoms no-one knew what was wrong. My soldiers started to think I was lazy, my peer group and bosses were telling my soldiers that I was useless, and three years after leaving the army the civil action for the car accident was resolved. They had developed a new xray technique and were checking for soft tissue injury when they discovered that I had broken my neck in the car accident and it hadnt been picked up. A wife of less than 3 years walked away with the money. I still have T3 and T5 damage from the car crash as well as several injuries from service life, esp the 3 yrs OS.

I admire the moves the US Army is making towards the mental health of their soldiers. I recommended a similar thing to a LtCol Psych here in 1994. I think it was thought of as too sissyish. Anyway it didnt happen.

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@Ionus,

I'll take that as a no, that you don't share the faith in the institution that I have in the US Army....

Man, that sucks. I am sorry that you have been through all that.

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@hawkeye10,

Back on topic, as a devout hetero I was somewhat shocked to have come-ons from blokes but what was surprising was the degree of stand over tactics that went with it. I was already firmly against women in a combat role, but now it was just getting bizzarre.

Once I had work to do, and I had an officer from the Queens Scots Guards keep asking me "so when will I see you..".... I told him my free time was taken up with my wife and kids and he still thought it wouldnt be a problem. I tried to be polite but eventually I just said I have to go and walked out of the operations tent.

I had a distant rely who was driving a taxi and he was always getting homosexuals wanting to trade head jobs for a free trip home. When he told them he was married he would always get the repy, thats ok we do it for a lot of married guys. We will keep it quiet.

I also had a different CO who was having it off with his female driver. Her husband was serving OS at the time. Sickens me. There is no honour in soldiering anymore, it is simply a fuckfest because people dont have the discipline to deny themselves anything.

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@Ionus,

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Your comment is reasonable but the army doesnt work like that. One rank up has total authority and total credibility in a military court. Nothing will interfere with the rank structure.

My career was threatened by my CO that if I didnt withdraw my complaint my next personnel report would delay my promotion for 3 years. I went straight to brigade and told them I was threatened by my CO and why. The officer involved disappeared, probably drummed out of the service. The CO is still there, never to be promoted. And I was a whistle blower

There is never an instance where whistle blowers are not worse off in the long term. AT A DIFFERENT UNIT, I was read the riot act...either leave or be court martialed and demoted/discharged. What was the basis for this ? It had nothing to do with the previous unit ( ) it was due to my performance in the new unit (pigs bum it did - it was all fabricated without a word of truth). So I left the military. 24 years meant nothing to them. They will send you home to your loved ones in a plastic bag looking like dog food. What do they care about the individual ?

You've just summed up exactly why the military is NOT to be trusted as far as a firecracker will launch them. There is no such thing as military justice nor should there be military courts. Both those are as oxymoronic as mating 'court' with Star Chamber.

You've clearly pointed out that thoughtful and intelligent are not the way the military works and you still want them to be making decisions as respects other peoples lives.

The military is the Peter Principle run amuck.

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@JTT,

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There is no such thing as military justice nor should there be military courts

Please point to where Ionus's situation touched the military justice system.

In the American system the soldier is expected to take the issue to the IG if the chain of command fails. IG complaints are taken very seriously in the Army, because they have both the power and the willingness to ruin careers for ******* over soldiers. If Ionus did not have that path available then shame on Australia. If he did and did not use it shame on him.

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@hawkeye10,

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In the American system the soldier is expected to take the issue to the IG if the chain of command fails. IG complaints are taken very seriously in the Army, because they have both the power and the willingness to ruin careers for ******* over soldiers.

I don't recall hearing about too many officers booted out of the military. Speaking of shutting down the truth, you only have to look to the military.

Wouldn't it be nice if there was a group like the IG that was as diligent when it came to war criminals/mass murderers? There's a whole passel of them, many likely getting a pension. But who gives a **** about some dark skinned people in some far off foreign land, right?

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@JTT,

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you still want them to be making decisions as respects other peoples lives.

I dont know what you are referring to...

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@JTT,

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But who gives a **** about some dark skinned people in some far off foreign land, right?

I care because too many of them are :

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war criminals/mass murderers

what do you propose to do about terrorists ?

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@hawkeye10,

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take the issue to the IG

In Oz we have a "Redress of Wrongs" but you had better be able to prove you are right because even the consequences of being right will damage your career. What is a IG ?

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@Ionus,

Inspector General.

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@Ionus,

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In Oz we have a "Redress of Wrongs" but you had better be able to prove you are right because even the consequences of being right will damage your career. What is a IG

In America the IG will do the investigation, and they have the power to turn over even boulders. The downside is that everyone who has a beef with the command tends to run to the IG, but they are pretty good about separating the wheat from the chaff.

If the soldier does not feel that the IG gained justice, they have the ability to petition their Congressman for yet another investigation.

It sounds like we have a better system than you do.

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@Ionus,

Think about what you're saying, Ionus. The real terrorists are the western nations, including Australia, and people just are not going to put up with the terror that has been heaped on them for far too long.

Count the number of people killed by your terrorists and then do a count of the number killed by the real terrorists.

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@Ionus,

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I dont know what you are referring to...

You want the ignorant assholes that you've just been complaining about deciding which citizens should have access to jobs in the military.

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@JTT,

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You want the ignorant assholes that you've just been complaining about

Believe it or not, that quality in a warrior can be a good thing.

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@hawkeye10,

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It sounds like we have a better system than you do.

THAT would not shock me. I have seen many very capable officers and men get out early. They all say something to the effect that they cant tolerate a system so hopeless and bumbling. Middle level maangement is usually the origins of these complaints.

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