Do you think the Pope should resign?

@mags314772,

The pope should wash their feet and the Vatican should pay for the survivors to reach Rome.

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@BumbleBeeBoogie,

Because the church is a place where those urges can be satisfied with impunity.

My brother, who is a religious person, considered becoming a brother, a rank below priest. He went on several retreats to the order's monastery until he opened a door one day and discovered two brothers have sex.

He became a Baptist for a time, joining a church that had an active theatre group but left it when he learned all the people were having affairs.

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@plainoldme,

i meant to add this: in re: Tiger Woods and Jesse James, someone asked why cheaters marry. In those two cases, the women are beautiful and the men are competitors. The women were their prizes and they dallied with slutty women who were inferior to their beautiful wives.

The church unreasonably denies sex of its ministers and represents sex as dirty, making women dirty. However, an urge is an urge is an urge and like Tiger and Jesse, I would think that many men who become priests do so are also competitors. They do not play golf and they do not fabricate metal and design motorcycles but priests trade in and compete in holiness . . . a corrupt holiness because they must deny a part of their humanity to do so. Women are dirty and corrupting daughters of Eve but boys! beautiful boys! I think there might be something of Christopher Isherwood in priests.

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@plainoldme,

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i meant to add this: in re: Tiger Woods and Jesse James, someone asked why cheaters marry. In those two cases, the women are beautiful and the men are competitors. The women were their prizes and they dallied with slutty women who were inferior to their beautiful wives.

the difference is that Jesse James unlike Tiger has always had a thing for sluts, and everyone knows it. His wife thought that he had changed...ooops.

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@hawkeye10,

Perhaps the Pope will provide Media with this link if he's shoved hard enough into a corner.

http://www.countercurrents.org/azzawi010310.htm

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@spendius,

I think have discovered a monumental cover up.

It seems that the US has no meaningful official statistics relating to death, accident and illness in relation to occupation. I daresay that actuaries in the health insurance business are not completely in the dark on this matter.

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@spendius,

And the point would be ...what?
That the buggering of little boys and girls doesn't amount to a hill of beans compared to the atrocities the US has committed in Iraq?

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@panzade,

That's the first time I have seen that activity mentioned. I understood we were discussing a lesser evil.

I was merely clarifying the concern for children in some sort of hierarchy and trying to exclude a racist component.

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@spendius,

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exclude a racist component.

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@spendius,

Why oh why do you continue with a piece of nonsense that you've openly admitted is a piece of nonsense, Spendi. It makes you look the fool.

Of course the atrocities committed by the US should be brought to the fore, even in this thread, in every thread but there's no need to balance one evil against the other, to try to explain one evil away with another.

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@dyslexia,

Say something for Christ's sake, Dys. You have a brain, do you not?

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@spendius,

Spendius, please recall that I said "child rapists" three pages ago.

Joe(what lesser evil??)Nation

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@JTT,

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Why oh why do you continue with a piece of nonsense that you've openly admitted is a piece of nonsense, Spendi. It makes you look the fool.

Of course the atrocities committed by the US should be brought to the fore, even in this thread, in every thread but there's no need to balance one evil against the other, to try to explain one evil away with another.

We balance evils. That's why there is a range of sentencing available to judges. Of course the priest was evil. I have said so. I can't even understand what he is said to have admitted to doing. I'm a slaggy mature chubby fan myself. I have never been able to understand what posh Greeks and Romans saw in young boys. Young boys are for kicking off the pitch in football matches and making them do their homework.

The guy was insane. I don't have anything much to say about insane people except keeping them out of circulation. I don't know what sort of pressures they might have been under. There are always going to be mistakes and panics as everybody tries to cover their backs. It happens.

I know nothing about the case. It hasn't been to trial. I don't know about any cover ups. That hasn't been enquired into with all the evidence from both sides. No oaths.

The Pope has been subjected to a kangeroo court with Media prosecuting, judge and jury. And I know why.

The supposed victim's evidence in the Jackson case was thrown out. The cops here get convictions in about 10% of rape allegations.

The Pope isn't going to resign and quite rightly. The enemies of Christendom would love it. And I'm not is the business of helping them. I'm not bothered about looking a fool.

I wasn't trying to explain one evil away with another. I'm trying to deal with the coverage of the two.

I don't believe in witch-hunts.

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@spendius,

This isn't about one case, spendi. It's about thousands of cases as reported on Wiki:

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Ultimately, it became clear that, over several decades in the 20th century, priests and lay members of religious orders in the Catholic Church had sexually abused minors on a scale such that the accusations reached into the thousands.

Although the majority of cases were reported to have occurred in the United States, victims have come forward in other nations such as Ireland, Canada and Australia.

A major aggravating factor was the actions of Catholic bishops to keep these crimes secret and to reassign the accused to other parishes in positions where they had continued unsupervised contact with youth, thus allowing the abusers to continue their crime.

With such an expenditure of time and effort spent hindering prosecution of the perpetrators and while blaming the victim and while simultaneously claiming a moral high ground with respect to human sexuality?
Gimme a break spendi!

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@spendius,

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The Pope isn't going to resign and quite rightly. The enemies of Christendom would love it. And I'm not is the business of helping them. I'm not bothered about looking a fool.

Being a proud enemy of the church I am very happy that the church is still on it path of not cleaning their house concerning child rape and the shielding of child rapists.

As a human being I am not however happy that an organization as powerful as the church sadly still is, see no problem with having at it head a man who took some part in protecting child rapists in the past.

The church would be very wise for it own best interest and future if it declare that no one in the church including the Pope can remain in high office, if it is found out that he had aided in covering up and or protecting priests who had rape children.

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@spendius,

Oh Spendius in your heart of hearts do you think that maintaining a church leadership with a history of not protecting the children of it members is good for that church long term or even short term future?

How many parents of the mother church can under the current conditions be relaxed in trusting the Priesthood being around their children in any situation but the most public do you think?

I know the church somehow had survive for two thousands years but when you allow the priests to prey on the member children that is one hell of a burden to survive.

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@panzade,

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Gimme a break spendi!

Okay. I accede to your request. Get on with it. Represent the ******* commies and the Taliban.

**** on the spiritual leader of the western world. It's no skin off my nose. I've just been telling you the name of the game and how far Media will go to have you all thinking about rape, molestations and diddling all day long in order to sell its drivel to a baying mass of sex obsessed customers.

I resign this thread.

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I see mags' point about all this stuff going on forevermore, evermore. (I think she made that point, or else it was JTT.) Personally I prefer Alexander VI over Savonarola.. at least from what I've read.

However, viewing through my own personal haze, the priests of my childhood - Fr. Patrick Peyton of the Rosary Crusade and Family Theater, Fr. James Roche, the navy fellow who became a jesuit after the bomb tests, Fr. La Salle (I'm less sure on this one, knowing really nothing about him) a missionary to Formosa who dined at our house sometimes), and later, on my own time in a church pew, the paulist Fr. Ellwood 'Bud' Kieser who was a hellova speaker and the guy behind the Insight tv series.

Whatever their foibles and my later hostility to some of their endeavors, I think of them as good men.

I'll guess the church was relaxed through the ages about the sins of the priests, unless it came to a political boiling point.

I am guessing that homophobia drove some young men to the priesthood as a refuge, in my time, anyway. NO, I don't think homosexuals are child molesters, they may even be less so than others. But I do think the closed quarters of celibacy are virtual causation of all this.

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I'm for putting this thread to rest. The pope will never resign. At best what the world can hope for is increased awareness of abusers and proper punishment.....defrocking, jail time.

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@mags314772,

Threads don't rest, they just peter out.

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