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I may be the only one.

 
 
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sun 21 Mar, 2010 08:57 pm
@ebrown p,
ebrown p wrote:
Factually, Conservative means closer to the Bible.
This is why conservatives didn't want women to vote or homosexuals to marry.
Conservative and liberal r both RELATVE words.
Neither has any meaning without identification of the standard
from which EITHER there is deviation OR there is NO deviation.

Logically, u can substitute the words DEVIANT and NON-deviant
for liberal and conservative, respectively.

This deviation can be with reference to the Bible,
or the rules of a card game
or a fashion of dress
or a style of painting
or the beliefs of some philosopher
or a style of dancing
or a constitution
or a statute
or a contract, or many other things from which there may or may NOT be deviation.

From any designated standard:
EITHER there IS deviation OR there is NO deviation.

If there IS deviation, the resulting variance is LIBERAL.
If there is NO deviation, the resulting rigid, inflexible non-variation is orthodox or conservative.

THAT is what the language means.
The words were not chosen arbitrarily, nor by random chance.





David
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sun 21 Mar, 2010 09:01 pm
@edgarblythe,
edgarblythe wrote:
I just tuned in and the Republicans are still trying to derail the vote, with anti abortion talk.
Obama said he 'll issue an executive order against the abortion language in the bill,
as if an executive order were able to change a statute. (It cannot.)





David
edgarblythe
 
  1  
Reply Sun 21 Mar, 2010 09:02 pm
I see now. THe bill has been passed, but the Republicans are pushing a second vote to kill the bill. Lots of luck on that! Grandstanding to the end.
Rockhead
 
  1  
Reply Sun 21 Mar, 2010 09:03 pm
@edgarblythe,
politics is so much bullshit...
edgarblythe
 
  1  
Reply Sun 21 Mar, 2010 09:07 pm
@Rockhead,
True, but inescapable.
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JPB
 
  1  
Reply Sun 21 Mar, 2010 09:08 pm
ok -- the reconciliation vote failed.

edit -- that's wrong

that vote is coming up yet...
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ebrown p
 
  1  
Reply Sun 21 Mar, 2010 09:08 pm
@JPB,
No. There are quite a few other differences, including getting rid of those stupid state specific deals... there are also changes in policy.
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ebrown p
 
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Reply Sun 21 Mar, 2010 09:10 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Did you notice it was Bart Stupak (the pro-life Democrat who wrote the anti-abortion Stupak amendment) who shot down the last ditch effort of Republicans to recommit the bill to committee based on the abortion language.

I thought this was a very nice touch.
realjohnboy
 
  1  
Reply Sun 21 Mar, 2010 09:16 pm
@Rockhead,
Rockhead wrote:

politics is so much bullshit...


You got that right. President Obama had to deal with the conservative wing of the Democrat party (yes, there is a conservative wing of the Democrat party) led by Rep Stupak. Stupak claimed he could hold back as many as a dozen votes for the health care bill because of his/their opposition to language they deemed to favor abortion (or language not restrictive enough on abortion).
The number may have been smaller then a dozen. But they were critical. What you are seeing now, I think, is political cover for those Dems who favored stronger abortion language but still voted for the overall bill. The Repubs are along for the ride.
No effect.
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OmSigDAVID
 
  1  
Reply Sun 21 Mar, 2010 09:19 pm
@edgarblythe,
edgarblythe wrote:
I see now. THe bill has been passed, but the Republicans are pushing a second vote to kill the bill.
Lots of luck on that! Grandstanding to the end.
AGREED.
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OmSigDAVID
 
  1  
Reply Sun 21 Mar, 2010 09:20 pm
@Rockhead,
Rockhead wrote:
politics is so much bullshit...
IF people wanna be understood,
it woud help if thay spoke with a greater degree of precision and specificity.





David
Rockhead
 
  1  
Reply Sun 21 Mar, 2010 09:22 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
I'll explain myself when and as I want to, dave.

thanks.
OmSigDAVID
 
  1  
Reply Sun 21 Mar, 2010 09:24 pm
@ebrown p,
ebrown p wrote:
Did you notice it was Bart Stupak (the pro-life Democrat who wrote the anti-abortion Stupak amendment)
who shot down the last ditch effort of Republicans to recommit the bill to committee based on the abortion language.

I thought this was a very nice touch.
Its very likely that Obama bribed him with pork or promise of a job.





David
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OmSigDAVID
 
  1  
Reply Sun 21 Mar, 2010 09:26 pm
@Rockhead,
Rockhead wrote:
I'll explain myself when and as I want to, dave.

thanks.
Right; until then those of us who r interested
can guess or consult a Gypsy as to what u meant.




(Thay have special powers.)





David
Rockhead
 
  1  
Reply Sun 21 Mar, 2010 09:27 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
what part of politics are bullshit did you misunderstand on a night like tonight, dave?

really.



pick one...
OmSigDAVID
 
  1  
Reply Sun 21 Mar, 2010 09:30 pm
@Rockhead,
Rockhead wrote:
what part of politics are bullshit did you misunderstand on a night like tonight, dave?

really.



pick one...
Well, in the face of inexorable logic like THAT, NOW I am convinced.
Rockhead
 
  1  
Reply Sun 21 Mar, 2010 09:37 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
good.

you stick around, and mebbe later we'll talk about guns and stuff...
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realjohnboy
 
  2  
Reply Sun 21 Mar, 2010 09:38 pm
Bedtime.
Today, for better or worse, is a momentous day in America. There are still a few procedural hoops to be run through. But major health care "reform" is in place. It may take years to implement and at a cost that may or may not come in at the net cost budgeted.
But after numerous attempts - from Clinton, Nixon to Teddy Roosevelt - a bill was passed.
This thread talks about politics. Certainly, some heads will roll because of how this has turned out. Mostly Dem heads but perhaps a few Repubs also.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Sun 21 Mar, 2010 09:40 pm
A historic victory for the Democrats and all Americans!

And while my timelines got screwed - and I was worried - things turned out much as I predicted. No public option. But then again, the game isn't over yet...

Complete failure for the Republican 'deny deny deny' strategy. I think the idea that they will run on repeal is a joke and the Democrats will trap them neatly by asking them specific questions about what they would be willing to yank away from people. Still, gotta say - ballsy move on their part!

Cycloptichorn
OmSigDAVID
 
  1  
Reply Sun 21 Mar, 2010 09:46 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Cycloptichorn wrote:
A historic victory for the Democrats and all Americans!

Cycloptichorn
I 'm an American; I don 't see nor feel any victory, TKO.
Americanism was Technically Knocked Out.





David
 

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