I may be the only one.

@slkshock7,

slkshock7 wrote:

I don't remember those 8 years...to best of my knowledge, Repubs have never had the votes in Congress to do what the Dems are attempting. It's all good though, because I'm very confident everything will reverse substantially in Nov. And by 2012, if the Dems continue to self-immolate in order to protect the legacy of their god, Obama, Repubs may well have that filibuster-proof majority to do whatever they please. And even if that doesn't happen, the Dems are in the processing of instituting a simple-majority process by which Repubs may soon be able to pass many of their own long-held political dreams.

Perhaps you were in a coma during Bush's first six years in office. The Reps controlled all three branches of government. Also, the Reps employed reconciliation and other devices more than the Dems to avoid filibusters.

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The process known as "deeming" has been around since the 1930's and has been used by the Republicans as well as the Democrats. There are many articles about how it works and why it is used.
The issue is moot now as the House Democrat leadership this afternoon decided to go for a straight forward vote tomorrow. Actually a succession of 3 votes in all.

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@realjohnboy,

Obviously none of you understand the IOKIYAR principle.

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@ebrown p,

ebrown p wrote:

Obviously none of you understand the IOKIYAR principle.

The GOP is SUPPOSED TO BE
the more conservative of the 2 parties;
i.e., the one that bears a closer fidelity to what the Constitution says.

If it stops doing that,
and does something different,
then it betrays its heritage and its essence and has no further reason to exist.

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I am probably the only one watching the House session prior to the vote. It is painful. Feigned passion on one side or the other. Some really bad writing. Really bad. My nomination goes to the gentlewoman from WVA with her long allusion to a badly crafted blanket.

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@OmSigDAVID,

How do you figure that "conservative" thought is closer to the constitution?

Simply declaring that you love it more than the other side doesn't make it so.

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@parados,

parados wrote:

How do you figure that "conservative" thought is closer to the constitution?

Simply declaring that you love it more than the other side doesn't make it so.

If it is not closer to the Constitution, then it is not conservative.
That is the definition of it.

The Constitution is the standard, the body of rules,
from which either there IS ` deviation,
or
is NOT ` deviation.

If there is deviation, then to the extent thereof,
the result is liberal, or radical.

If there is no deviation then the result is orthodox or conservative.
That is what the language means.

It is very simple.

David

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The last Repub (Baynor?) may have gotten the trophy. Can Pelosi top him?
It is a tough crowd, by the way. A boisterous bunch of congressmembers.

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@OmSigDAVID,

Quote:

If it is not closer to the Constitution, then it is not conservative.
That is the definition of it.

I guess when you play the "no true Scotsman" fallacy, you think you win.

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@parados,

parados wrote:

Quote:
If it is not closer to the Constitution, then it is not conservative.
That is the definition of it.

I guess when you play the "no true Scotsman" fallacy, you think you win.

Nonsense. The language meant what I said long b4 I was born.

Those 2 words merely refer to the presence or absence of deviation.

If u wanna, u can substitute "deviant" and "non-deviant".

David

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@OmSigDAVID,

Conservative meant "closer to the Constitution" before you were born? In which dictionary can I find the meaning?

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If we did not have those 2 words to differentiate between
conservative and liberal interpretations of a contract, or any body of rules,
then we 'd need to invent new words to represent those concepts.

David

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All time has expired. 15 minute vote, which in D.C. takes 30 minutes.

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@parados,

parados wrote:

Conservative meant "closer to the Constitution" before you were born? In which dictionary can I find the meaning?

This is very common knowledge among moderately educated people. U r moving me to be redundant.

This concept is not arcane.

The concept of deviation or non-deviation
is not confined to any constitution, but the concept applies to constitutions, to statutes,
to contracts, to philosophies, to any practice or pattern of beliefs.
He who deviates therefrom takes a liberal vu thereof;
he who is rigidly inflexible as to its application is othodox or conservative.

This was old news b4 George Washington 's grandfather was born.

David

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@OmSigDAVID,

Factually, Conservative means closer to the Bible. This is why conservatives didn't want women to vote or homosexuals to marry.

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@realjohnboy,

I have it being 223 Dems voting yes. More than the 216 yes votes needed. No Repubs voting yes.

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@realjohnboy,

realjohnboy wrote:

All time has expired. 15 minute vote, which in D.C. takes 30 minutes.

That's what I am waiting up for.

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@edgarblythe,

219 for (all Dems) vs 212 opposed (34 Dems and 178 Repubs).
It is done, but there is still some discussion going on regarding abortion.

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@realjohnboy,

is the only difference between the two bills the abortion motion?

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@realjohnboy,

I just tuned in and the Republicans are still trying to derail the vote, with anti abortion talk.

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