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Charles and Maureen Cassidy were asleep in their home in Stuart, Fla.,
when Maureen awoke to a suspicious noise. As she left the bedroom
to investigate, Maureen discovered intruder Senewa Kahle inside the home.
Maureen notified Charles, who retrieved his 9mm pistol and positioned himself
near the bedroom door. Charles warned Kahle that he was armed
and ordered him to stop. Kahle ignored Charles’ command and
made his way towards the bedroom. Charles responded by opening fire,
striking Kahle in the hip and causing him to flee.

When police arrived, they found Kahle in a nearby yard, armed with a knife,
and an accomplice waiting in a getaway car.

This was not Kahle’s first brush with the law; he had previously been arrested
for aggravated assault with a deadly weapon. The Cassidys' neighbors,
who along with the Cassidys are members of a retirement community,
were supportive of Charles’ actions, with one stating,
"If I couldn't take him out with my hands, I'd have to do something.
We're getting up in age around here. We have to protect ourselves."
(WPBF, West Palm Beach, Fla. 03/13/10)

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In candor, it is not wise to depend for your existence on a 9mm pistol.

Better stopping power is advisable.

David

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Thanks David. These people are heros.

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Nothing wrong with using a 9 mm.

I just want to stop the intruder, not kill him.

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@chai2,

The 9mm will kill him. But you're absolutely right, nothing wrong with the 9mm.

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Unless someone has done a lot of practice with the big bore handguns, they are likely not to be able to get off a second accurate shot.

Joe(same as with everything..practice, practice, practice.)Nation

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@Joe Nation,

I have a short barrel 12 gage Ithaca pump (no plug). I keep it full of no. 1 shot. hi brass. Living in a stone house gives me a feeling of concern firing a bullet inside. Ricochet could be more lethal to me than the intruder. Therefore, Ive concluded that a ricochet of a steel ball would be less lethal than an errant bullet.

Anything wrong with that logic Dave?

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Mr. Cassidy may be assumed to have had practice.
He is a retired law enforment officer.

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@chai2,

chai2 wrote:

Nothing wrong with using a 9 mm.

I just want to stop the intruder, not kill him.

Truely and without exageration:
historically, killing him has been easier than stopping him,
in the sense that too many (lethally) violent aggressors
have perished from their wounds AFTER thay have killed the victim.

It has been more difficult to STOP him, i.e.: to keep him OFF of u
than it has been to kill him (after the fact).

Classic case of police NYPD in the 1960s
(I remember reading it in the subway on the way to work)
being attacked by a bum who 'd broken a bottle and charged a police officer,
who drew and emptied out his .38 revolver into the charging bum,
who obligingly died of his wounds AFTER he plunged his bottle fragment
into the throat of the officer with the empty .38, inflicting fatal injury.
Until then, I 'd relied upon a .38 for safety,
so I took notice and upgraded to a .44 loaded with hollowpointed slugs for optimal stopping power.

Another point is that if the violent aggressor survives his wounds,
he might tell lies about u in court; not all criminals r honest when thay sue u.

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We have a trusty, sweet, lovable, loyal canine who would probably lick an intruder to death.

About 3 months ago I accidentally hit the 'police' button instead of the 'stay' button while setting our alarm (half-asleep) ... the police were at the door within about 3 minutes...our dog slept through the entire thing (the 'police' button produces a gawd-awful racket LOL).

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@Irishk,

I have that same 'defense dog'. The good thing is that she will bark at an intruder and wake me up quickly enough for me to grab the shotgun.

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@Ticomaya,

Ticomaya wrote:

The 9mm will kill him. But you're absolutely right, nothing wrong with the 9mm.

I remember a case of a pharmacist defending his store from a robber,
who found it necessary to empty out his 9mm (15 rounds) into the robber who remained erect for a while.
The druggist was criminally prosecuted by the D.A. who opined that he shot him too many times.
I don 't know the disposition of the case.

The moral of the story is:
Its more likely that use of a .44 or a .45 woud end the threat faster,
with better control and less chance of offending the delicate sensibilities of the D.A.

Thus quoth

David

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@maporsche,

I have an attack turtle.

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@Joe Nation,

Joe Nation wrote:

Unless someone has done a lot of practice with the big bore handguns,
they are likely not to be able to get off a second accurate shot.

Joe(same as with everything..practice, practice, practice.)Nation

Very, very good point! Thank u.
In my opinion, practice is fun.

David

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@Irishk,

Irishk wrote:

We have a trusty, sweet, lovable, loyal canine who would probably lick an intruder to death.

About 3 months ago I accidentally hit the 'police' button instead of the 'stay' button while setting our alarm (half-asleep) ... the police were at the door within about 3 minutes...our dog slept through the entire thing (the 'police' button produces a gawd-awful racket LOL).

What if the intruder hurt/killed you during those 3 minutes?

He'd be caught then, but not before you you dead or something.

Re the 9mm, if I had to shoot someone who came in my house, I frankly wouldn't care if I killed him or just harmed him, as long as I kept him away from me.

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@chai2,

I agree chai2...I think the only point of contention is that a .45 is more likely to keep him/her away from you.

I don't know though; I've seen studies that a 9mm is just as effective in human flesh as a .45. I know in balastic gel the .45 is a lot more effective, but our bodies are a lot softer than balastic gel.

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@farmerman,

farmerman wrote:

I have a short barrel 12 gage Ithaca pump (no plug). I keep it full of no. 1 shot. hi brass.
Living in a stone house gives me a feeling of concern firing a bullet inside.
Ricochet could be more lethal to me than the intruder.
Therefore, Ive concluded that a ricochet of a steel ball would be less lethal than an errant bullet.

Anything wrong with that logic Dave?

Good logic, farmer, for home defense,
but its really hard to carry a shotgun around as u walk thru the world.
I hope that barrel is not shorter than 18 inches.

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@George,

George wrote:

I have an attack turtle.

I bet he is very cute. (I am a pro-turtle person.)
I got an attack Butterfly.

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@chai2,

We have a baseball bat under the bed. Our dog is seasonally hard of hearing because of allergies and the drops we need to put in his ears. He's only 6 (we think ... rescue dog) but when he sleeps it's like he's in a deep coma. I've never given him an 'attack' command...he'd probably just wag his tail LOL.

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@maporsche,

maporsche wrote:

I agree chai2...I think the only point of contention is that a .45 is more likely to keep him/her away from you.

I don't know though; I've seen studies that a 9mm is just as effective in human flesh as a .45. I know in balastic gel the .45 is a lot more effective, but our bodies are a lot softer than balastic gel.

If I saw someone with a gun of any size, I'd keep away from them.

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