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Is Evolution a Dangerous Idea? If so, why?

 
 
bulmabriefs144
 
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Reply Sat 14 Aug, 2021 07:09 am
@edgarblythe,
https://iceagenow.com/SeaLevel_LastIceAge.gif
https://iceagenow.com/Sea_Level_During_Last_Ice_Age.htm
If you lived in between Russia and US, you'd say flood.
If you lived between China and what is now Japan, you'd say flood.
Middle East? The channel widened near Turkey and Greece, and south near Egypt and Saudia Arabia.

Northern secrtion of Sweden, Russia , etc? Flood, flood, flood.

Some near Australia, in the northern section.

US and Greenland.

And the west coast of Central and South America.
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sat 14 Aug, 2021 07:15 am
What farmerman just said.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sat 14 Aug, 2021 07:51 am
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:

AAAAHHHHHH- so now you get it h?
You coulda cut through the cheese an just said that the Bible is allegorical. I actually support that as a reasonable view.

I think he means it is allegorical when it suits him, but factual at other times.
farmerman
 
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Reply Sat 14 Aug, 2021 09:16 am
@bulmabriefs144,
Interesting. He started off ith an assertion that a worldwide flood of BIBLICAL PROPORTIONS was a fact, then he back off and now agrees with us that floods are part of history but nowhere was the earth inundated in flood at the exact same time.
Gotta watch these Christians sid Mark Twain.
"It always best bein Chritian but with four aces"
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sat 14 Aug, 2021 09:51 pm
As much as I disagreed with leadfoot always I hate that he left thinking he couldn't post here anymore.
The Anointed
 
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Reply Sun 15 Aug, 2021 12:33 am
@farmerman,
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He started off with an assertion that a worldwide flood of BIBLICAL PROPORTIONS was a fact,


I read in the KJV Luke 2: 1; "And it came to pass in those days, that there went out a decree from Caesar Augustus that all the world should be taxed."

So I asked one of my indigenous brothers, if there was any record of the Romans coming to Australia to tax the people, and of course there was not.

And there wouldn't have been, as we, who study and understand the scriptures, are not so dumb, as to not realise that the bible was referring to the Roman Empire, which was the known civilised world in those days and not to the entire planet.

And nor are we so dumb as to think that the scriptures, were talking of a world-wide flood, and that Noah had to build a boat that would take a pair of every clean animal and seven of every unclean animal on the entire planet, as some biblical ignorant idiots, seem to think the bible was referring to, and not to the known inhabited world of that time, of which there is ample evidence of a catastrophic flood around the Mediterranean and Ireland.

Marie-Agnes Courty (CNRS, Grignon) presented new archaeological data concerning a catastrophe inferred to have occurred in the Middle East c.2350 BC. She emphasized the importance of high-time-resolution archaeological investigations in the assessment of natural catastrophes on societal collapse, the data in this case indicating the combination of a burnt surface horizon and air blast, consistent with a Tunguska-like fireball, but possibly also a major volcanic event.

The evidence for regional environmental change at about the same time was confirmed and extended by Mike Baillie (Queen’s University Belfast), whose tree-ring analyses of Irish bog oaks showed very significant narrowing of the rings around the year 2345 BC, associated with identified tephra from the Icelandic Hekla 4 volcano, dated to 2310 +/- 20 BC. This suggests a volcanic origin of the c. 2350 BC event identified by Courty, but the period in question is also associated with other events, including floods, the creation of new lakes and even the traditional start of Chinese history! In Baillie’s words, 2345 BC ‘is a classic marker date, i.e. a date which will show up on a regular basis in studies of various kinds’.

The animals that were taken into the ark, would have been those, which were chosen from the animals that had been forced to flee from the rising waters to the higher ground upon which Noah would have presumably built the ark, which animals would have only been those of his known world, that was flooded around the year 2350 B.C.

The ark was a rectangular chest-like floating container, built of timber logs of Kopherwood, and would of necessity, have to be sealed inside and out with bitumen to stop it from leaking in the violent storms that are would have been subjected to, and Kopherwood, is simply any wood that is coated with tar/bitumen.

It was subject to tides, currents, and wind, having no means of propulsion or steerage, it was guided by the Hand of God.

According to the Turin papyrus list, Teti ruled for six months, and Pepi 1, began his rule after Teti, which according to some, was 33 years later, leaving a gap of 33 years between Teti and his successor Pepi, this would support the belief that some catastrophic event occurred around that time, where the evidence shows that Ireland was inundated, around the time of the eruption of Helka4 and is said to have remained desolate for 30 years.

A flood of that magnitude would have surely been experienced around the Mediterranean, and perhaps Egypt was also desolate and without a king or countrymen for some thirty years also.

Do you think that the people of the pre-flood days knew that the circumference of the earth was almost 25 thousand miles, or knew how many continents and islands there are on this earth? And if not, just how big do you think that their known world was?

I believe that the flood that occurred in Noah’ day, around 2,350 BC, was an event that would have been recorded and handed down by a witness of that era as a world-wide flood.
farmerman
 
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Reply Sun 15 Aug, 2021 05:21 am
@The Anointed,
As I first stated about the work of Pittman and Ryan in the flooding of the Black Sea, and how it could have led to the Noah legend. xcept as Bulmabriefs was apparently in insistent on Biblical Inerrancy. I see how youve also changed your "day date" creationism. I dont care how you get to finally accept what science hs revealed, just get there without all your posting of bumper stickers..

Youre scien"Tistic" covering up of YEC and OEC preaching still needs to get a memo to the "ARK EXPERIENCE" and your own Australian YECS ho isist on a rel ark ha been foun at the mi level of Ararat.

izzythepush
 
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Reply Sun 15 Aug, 2021 05:25 am
@edgarblythe,
I’ve had posts deleted.

It’s what happens when you post stuff near the knuckle.

Leadfoot has had a strop, that’s all.
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farmerman
 
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Reply Sun 15 Aug, 2021 05:36 am
@The Anointed,
If your now switching over to Ireland, you hould rad more of the data and resarch rather than CNRS summaries for the "Anointed ones". Irelan has no evience of being flooded since occupational ad ag evidence abound all ovr the island through Pleistocene an Holocene times. There WAS evidence of a bolie strike until no tetkite strewn fields have yet to b found.
Courty;s well known among Pleistocene stratigraphy students and researchers. Evidence recorded in tree ring ratio indices can be caused by other catastrophic vents. Only spectroscopic ablation analyses can settle the discussion an so far it doesnt appear like thats going to be attempted. Really dont know why, unless its jut budgetary.
A lot of the OEC labs have been discounted in recent yrs for "oing samples" and coming up with fossil ages outrageously inaccurate. (
The Anointed
 
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Reply Sun 15 Aug, 2021 05:54 am
@farmerman,
Well, I hope someone else can decipher your writing, because I can't.

Have you ever had any of your so-called scientific papers published by a reputable Scientific Journal?

Good night mate.
farmerman
 
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Reply Sun 15 Aug, 2021 06:01 am
@The Anointed,
thats awright, youre just the subject and your team has already surrenered any credibility.

You really need ameans by which you guys can back up over your past posts without exposing the obvious Bullshit youve used to impress and avert rather than discuss.
You damn well know what I said, you just need to go from day/date OEC to something merely theisticly controlled but still scientifically acceptable.

Paleo Research Consultants had been used by the various Creationist covens to provide such "facts" as stegosaurian an Ceratopsian dinosaurs are only 30 to 40 K years old. (By using C14 , which is bogus technology in the desired application)

Basically the YEC and OEC "sciences" have several llimitations by virtue of "method Fraud".

The Anointed
 
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Reply Sun 15 Aug, 2021 06:07 am
@farmerman,
I repeat; "Have you ever had any of your so-called scientific papers published by a reputable Scientific Journal?"

Or do you just rubbish those scientists who have?

Night, night sunshine.
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farmerman
 
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Reply Sun 15 Aug, 2021 06:38 am
@The Anointed,
about 100 juried, more than 100, non juried, a number of book chapters, as an editor ive been published by DOE tech reviews, and 2 texts for undergrad applied geosci.
I and two other colleagues are working on a more popular source on faux science and the history of mis nd dis information in the sciences, with focus on earth sciences. Im also working on an art volume of pen and ink illustration.

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bulmabriefs144
 
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Reply Sun 15 Aug, 2021 04:23 pm
@edgarblythe,
The Great Flood was a factual event. We can address that areas of the Earth actually are underwater now.

The Great Flood story in the Bible is myth and allegory. Because the Bible is a work of allegory. It sees factual events in the context of God's relationship with us humans.

It's kinda like if intelligent humans with long lifespans were wanting to tell their story to stupid de-evolved humans. The conversation would go something like this.

"So, I lived for about 900 years, and I'm nearing the end of my life so I need to tell someone my story since I am old, and my hand shakes when I try to write. You people seem to know how to write fairly well, so you'll tell my story, right?"
"Well, mostly. We're pretty good at fables."
"Oh great. Okay, well over the centuries, the water table rose as a result of glaciers melting, gradually but dramatically covering lands that we used to live in water. We thanked God for saving us after a nuclear war that mutated most of the population, including you mutants, and from this rise in water level. So you see, we crossed to nearby lands on foot after those areas eroded."
"...Okay, so God rained the world for 40 days, you built an ark, and we know that God promised this wouldn't happen again because rainbows."
"What? No, it was... *sigh* Write whatever you want."
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sun 15 Aug, 2021 04:31 pm
@bulmabriefs144,
That's the saddest explanation I've seen yet.
bulmabriefs144
 
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Reply Sun 15 Aug, 2021 04:43 pm
@farmerman,
Who says I believe in Biblical inerrancy?

Biblical inerrancy is the notion that the Bible ought to be taken literally. That when the Bible says 7 days, they mean 7 days. That it cannot be wrong, even on tiny details. That the person who took a boat was literally named Noah and not Utnapishtim or anything else.
But in fact, when Catholic missionaries shared the Bible with remote tribes, they found that throughout many continents, these cultures already had a flood story.

https://catholicexchange.com/virtually-every-ancient-civilization-has-a-great-flood-story

I am of the opinion that conflict theory, the idea that science must oppose religion, is complete and utter nonsense. Science explains how gravity works, religion explains how the Trinity works. These are different fields of study, they are not in conflict with each other. You can believe in evolution or continental drifts or the Hadean Period (btw, from Hades... interesting how many of our planetary names are based on Greek or Norse myth, yet somehow religion isn't compatible with science).

I was taught to see religion as compatible with science. So if God creates the universe in seven days, they mean 7 cosmic days. And when they say 40 days and nights they mean 40 geological days or a long slow flooding of the entire world. And you can see from that map that however long this too, this is precisely what happened. The land that was there is gone.

But when you say an event NEVER HAPPENED this is a bridge too far, a step in the direction that scientists who propose one or more theoretical events where a flood-like event might have happened are wrong, is not only deeply ignorant but also offensive.
bulmabriefs144
 
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Reply Sun 15 Aug, 2021 04:47 pm
@edgarblythe,
Yes, but it's funny.
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farmerman
 
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Reply Sun 15 Aug, 2021 05:11 pm
@bulmabriefs144,
a flood of biblical proportions never happened and evidence is very compelling. if you understand geologic time as identified in stratigraphy, you will see this is so.

im not gonna argue your solepsistic points because youve already explained why you caved from your first posts.
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farmerman
 
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Reply Sun 15 Aug, 2021 05:24 pm
@bulmabriefs144,
heres what bulmabriefs said at first. i think that he thinks that these regional flood events happened at the same time?

Quote:
The Great Flood actually happened, in addition to the Silurian period, there was probably an extinction level event, either as a result of melting icecaps or continental shift. Only certain people survived, probably from living on higher ground or making some sturdy boats.

But things get weirder. I've heard at least one hypothesis that suggests that the Great Flood story is actually a coded myth about a mass exodus from another planet. I don't care if you believe this or not, but there seems to be an asteroid belt just outside Mars, and the surface of Mars has some signs of previous life and some water. The hypothesis goes that there used to be a planet near where those asteroids are, and it got hit by a giant meteor (or in stranger stories, some weapon). The explosion fried the nearby planet Mars.
https://mars.nasa.gov/MPF/martianchronicle/martianchron7/signs.html
The original planet was called Phaeton
https://infogalactic.com/info/Phaeton
Basically, turning the life on a starship into life on a more relatable boat.

Are we are talking about genetic memory of sea life? Or we are talking about an exodus from a single island like Atlantis or Pangaea, and all the cultures that have this myth were once one culture? Or are we talking about exodus from another planet, where asteroids now are?

You can chose whichever one seems most plausible to you, but since a huge stretch of land has this myth, and much of it is not related by close borders, outright calling it a fantasy starts to sound like Scully making far more unbelievable denials than simply accepting the event.Signature
The Anointed
 
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Reply Sun 15 Aug, 2021 08:47 pm
@farmerman,
Did you know that the Hebrew meaning to the name 'ADAM' is; "OF THE RED EARTH"? not necessarily the planet earth, as Adamah (Biblical Hebrew : אדמה) is a word, translatable as ground or earth. Of the RED Ground, but the ground on the surface of which planet?
 

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