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Is Evolution a Dangerous Idea? If so, why?

 
 
Leadfoot
 
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Reply Mon 15 Jul, 2019 06:47 am
@cicerone imposter,
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Leadfoot Quote:
"... do you realize that all that wonderful world travel (84 countries was it?) you enjoyed so much is the second largest contribution to the carbon footprint you leave?"

Actually, it's been 132 countries. I'm not the only human being using airplane travel. Fact check on air travel: FAA Home ▸ Air Traffic ▸ Air Traffic By The Numbers
Air Traffic By The Numbers
Every day, the FAA's Air Traffic Organization (ATO) provides service to more than 44,000 flights and 2.7 million airline passengers across more than 29 million square miles of airspace.


I love this answer more than anything you've written to date. It so perfectly encapsulates the logic that I've come to know so well at A2K.

It's been great to meet you CI, I love you man.
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brianjakub
 
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Reply Mon 15 Jul, 2019 06:50 am
@Leadfoot,
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Are the answers you are giving your own or are they based on the beliefs of your particular religion? I greatly prefer your personal opinions and thoughts.

Are these beliefs based on revelation or interpretation of the Bible or some other text?


The answers I am giving do not contradict Roman Catholic eschatology or end times prophecy.

These beliefs are mostly my own because most Roman Catholic biblical scholars do not attempt to tie cosmology to the bible at all. But even then priest who suggested the Big Bang did not believe that matter randomly condensed out of space, and suggested a Quantum Nucleation event was needed before the Big Bang like the first part of Genesis states.

The biblical texts are from Genesis and revelations mostly.

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First, are we talking theology or cosmology? I should have phrased it as " this earth was not meant for us to live on forever."
I am not a dirt worshipper, the earth is not alive. The earth is a terrarium.
I asked about the JWs and Mormons because they believe earth (and this way of life) IS our home for eternity.


The years in the book of Genesis mark time according to the Descendants of Seth. The descendants of Seth are godlike men and are more than likely told about in the mythology of the Greeks. (That was in the commentary in my Catholic Bible from the seventies.) They did not live on earth but instead had access to a near perfect universe where everything was the same temperature and there was limited gravity because gravity is an entropic force. We are marking time according to the descenants of Cain.

The Flood of the Bible is the event that destroyed the god-like descendants of Seth. The god-like descendants of Seth which Noah (which Noah was the last to have these abilities) delivered the animals to the Ark (which is the Earth), This putting the animals on the Earth is what is being described in the second story of creation when God brought the animals to man to be named. The name was written in their DNA.

There are indisputable markers in the bible that must logically appear in cosmology:

1. The quantum Nucleation Event where all matter was created and stored in planets. (creation of matter in first books of Genesis)

2. The introduction of death and gravity to Earth and solar System by introducing entropy and inflation into the matter of the solar system. (the marking of Cain after he kills Abel which is when he is made a wanderer of the Earth and condemns Cain and his descendants to a short life and death,)

3. The Big Bang inflation Event (Where inflation is introduced into the rest of matter in the universe and the entire higgs field and the descendants of Seth are destroyed except for Noah because he chooses to allow himself and his descendants to become condemned to shortened lives and death like Cain. This is the event that locks up Satan for a while by disconnecting matter from the higgs field and introducing the electron cloud (inflation) Before that the electron was part of the nucleus.

The Resurrection and Pentecost where the Holy Spirit descends on the apostles in the upper room marks the end of the flood. This was foreshadowed to Noah when the dove comes back with the olive branch. The dove is the Holy spirit and the Olive Branch is Israel being delivered by sacrifice of Jesus and which instituted the priesthood in the Apostles so they could physically deliver that promise to everyone in the Eucharist.

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If the thousand years started at Jesus' death/resurection, isn't The End about 1000 years late?

I really hope the answer does not involve some nebulous inflationary theory of time. As the book says, 'Say it straight, let your conversation be yea or nay.'


The markers are right. There are many more in the book of Revelations. Determining the years is to be interpreted according to these markers as the science and cosmology further develops. I can tell you this though it sure looks like the Earth and man are a lot older than 6,000 years.



Leadfoot
 
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Reply Mon 15 Jul, 2019 07:06 am
@brianjakub,
Thank you or the clarification.

So where in the '1000 years' do you think we are now?
brianjakub
 
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Reply Mon 15 Jul, 2019 08:57 am
@Leadfoot,
Last half of 900
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brianjakub
 
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Reply Mon 15 Jul, 2019 08:45 pm
@Leadfoot,
Where do you think we are?
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 16 Jul, 2019 10:22 am
@hawkeye10,
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It is such a shame that you did not aim higher.
Why aim higher than what I wanted to do? All seven continents, flew to Mt Everest, dipped my feet in the Dead Sea, visited both northernmost and southernmost cities of the world, cruised between Bergen and the Russian coast of Norway, and visited most of the major sites in this world, including cruising both major oceans and the rivers (includes Thames, Yangtze, Amazon, Nile, Volga, Mississippi, Sacramento, and the Columbia & Snake Rivers. 132 countries by last count, Russia, China, Cuba, Antarctica, Taj Mahal, Angkor Wat, Great Wall of China, Forbidden City, Xian (terra-cotta soldiers) the Great Pyramids of Giza, the five Stans (Silk Road route), Troy, Vatican, Colosseum, Trevi Fountain, Mayan ruins, Frida Kahlo and Carlos Slim's museums in Mexico City (Francisco Baez is a friend), Paris (Francis is a friend), Singapore (Bill and Yvonne Lim are friends), Moscow (Sergei and Oleg are friends), Cuba (Caesar and Hiroshi Robaina are friends), Israel & Jordan (Bethlehem, birthplace of Jesus), and all across the USA including Hawaii and Alaska. Among family and friends, I'm the most traveled. Travel has enriched my life in so many ways. Meeting many interesting people, and making new friends have been the reward. Have friends in the San Francisco Bay Area, Southern CA, Austin and Houston, Chicago, and NYC. I've done all the travel I wished to do. BTW, Caesar works at the Nacional Hotel in Havana, and Hiroshi Robaina owns one of the largest tobacco plantations in Cuba. His grandfather, Alejandro, is an icon of Cuban cigars. I asked Hiroshi why he has a Japanese name, and he told me because he was born in the month his parents visited Japan. The Spanish spelling of Hirochi.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 16 Jul, 2019 10:49 am
@cicerone imposter,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alejandro_Robaina And, Hiroshi robaina
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Leadfoot
 
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Reply Tue 16 Jul, 2019 07:26 pm
@brianjakub,
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Where do you think we are?

Seventh year of the Tribulation.
That bit about "Knowledge will increase" started to ring true about six years ago, it's gone exponential. The equivalent of the 'Hockey stick' moment of climate change for me. Maybe just wishful thinking.
brianjakub
 
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Reply Mon 22 Jul, 2019 06:05 am
@Leadfoot,
So how do you manage the timeline of the bible with the geological record?
Leadfoot
 
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Reply Mon 22 Jul, 2019 10:10 am
@brianjakub,
I never saw any conflict. If the 'Days' of Genesis were actually 24 hours and it looks like 4.3 Billion years in the geo-record due to some time inflationary event, then that is currently beyond our ability to detect and doesn't matter anyway.

The time period is irrelevant to me, it's the story that matters.
farmerman
 
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Reply Mon 22 Jul, 2019 10:26 am
@Leadfoot,
ya think that has any ffects on the second hand?
brianjakub
 
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Reply Mon 22 Jul, 2019 02:46 pm
@Leadfoot,
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The time period is irrelevant to me, it's the story that matters.
I believe 4.3 billion years ago is when the matter in the entire started deteriorating. The added entropy in matter caused matter to inflate as the electron clouds formed in all matter reducing its spatial density, which appears as dark energy. This entropy is observed as entropic gravity. This interaction of matter with the higgs field stretches the higgs field as galaxies form whirl pools in it. These whirlpools are what we detect as dark matter.

As far as the story goes the start of the inflation period is the start of the flood. The completion of the flood started when Noah got off the boat and the end of the completion of the flood was when Jesus hung His head on the cross and said it is complete and the earth shook, the sky darkened, and I do believe a universal warming of the universe began as energy began to be added to matter to reinstate the order in it.
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brianjakub
 
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Reply Mon 22 Jul, 2019 02:47 pm
@farmerman,
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ya think that has any ffects on the second hand?
Of course it did. Everyone knows gravity slows the second hand on clocks.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 22 Jul, 2019 02:50 pm
@brianjakub,
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Everyone knows gravity slows the second hand on clocks.
If it affects the second hand, it must also affect the minute and hour times. What hundredth, millionth or billionth of the second does it delay time?
Leadfoot
 
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Reply Mon 22 Jul, 2019 04:05 pm
If ya got enough of it you can stop it all together.
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brianjakub
 
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Reply Mon 22 Jul, 2019 04:07 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Depends on the amount of matter and the distance from the clock the matter is that is causing the gravity.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 22 Jul, 2019 04:28 pm
@brianjakub,
Oh, I get it. If a mechanical clock is under water or in oil, it will slow down the hands.
farmerman
 
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Reply Mon 22 Jul, 2019 04:56 pm
@brianjakub,
what is a second defined as? Were there many clocks aroound during the Pleistocene? the Cambrian?
farmerman
 
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Reply Mon 22 Jul, 2019 04:59 pm
@cicerone imposter,
a clock is a device that attempts to measure time no?
Our friends want to believe that a clock is responsible for time.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Mon 22 Jul, 2019 10:29 pm
Problem with evolution is, there are no mechanisms to avoid extinction. When the time comes, phbbtt, gone.
 

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