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Was Hitler good for the World in any way?

 
 
Setanta
 
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Reply Wed 7 Apr, 2010 03:59 am
The Hitler threads never die, do they?
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farmerman
 
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Reply Wed 7 Apr, 2010 05:40 am
Is this the oldest thread on the board? Its so fuckin precious.
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Wed 7 Apr, 2010 05:51 am
If not for Hitler, people wouldn't have the swastika and little mustache to photoshop onto

A; George Bush
B: Barack Obama
C: any generic person unpopular with any fringe group

I really put a lot of though into this and it's the only positive thing I could think of.
Ionus
 
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Reply Wed 7 Apr, 2010 06:22 am
@Bi-Polar Bear,
He did suicide you know, that was good for the world.
fresco
 
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Reply Wed 7 Apr, 2010 11:44 am
@Ionus,
Smile
In the absence of a reply to my question, I will assume that stable2know has done us all a favour by following the example of his hero in that respect.
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Sat 10 Jul, 2010 06:54 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MReV9dkAVhY

A song dedicated to ican and to okie. With love.
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GoshisDead
 
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Reply Sun 11 Jul, 2010 02:36 am
Without Hitler we may have never had "The Soup Nazi" episode. The only funny episode of the whole series.
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Tue 20 Jul, 2010 08:27 pm
From the way the American right has been using the Nazis to bludgeon the American left, I think that all too many have not learned from history.
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HexHammer
 
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Reply Sat 28 Aug, 2010 11:13 am
@Craven de Kere,
Directly it's to my knowledge only the VolksWagen

Indirectly there's loads.

- atomic power, the Manhatten Project was a direct cause to invent the atomic bomb to stop Hitler.
- jet turbines/jet power
- advanced rockets
- advanced medical science, many grusome experiments was conducted on consentration camp prisoners, still used as medical knowledge.
- advanced encoding, the Egnima Machine
- the computer, invented to break military codes
- sloped armor
- advanced military vehicles, tanks, airplanes, artellery, ships, U-Boats, guns ..etc
- advanced sonar
- advanced radar, radar targeting, radar navigation
- AA guns used as anti tank

..etc...etc

Without our Painter, we wouldn't have GPS, we wouldn't have big jumbo jets, it's a pain to give him credit for so much.
plainoldme
 
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Reply Tue 31 Aug, 2010 09:33 pm
@HexHammer,
Well, would we have had them but in a different form and would they have arrived at a different pace?

i have a question: How long will it be before no one remembers Hitler?

Although I was born after the war and after Nuremberg, the Nazis (and not the JApanese) were still current on playgrounds into the 1950s.
Setanta
 
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Reply Wed 1 Sep, 2010 07:45 am
@HexHammer,
The German experiments with regard to atomic power and an atom bomb failed.

The Germans certainly did come up with "jet" engines before anyone else, but they weren't the only ones working on the problem. However, the idiot Hitler insisted that the planes be used as bombers, and the existing engine technology simply couldn't handle the weight. Therefore, although a flight-tested jet fighter was available in March, 1943, Hitler assured, through his stupidity, that it would not see service until very late in the war. To that extent, one could claim that Hitler was good for the world through his stupidity.

The rockets the Germans made were hardly advanced. Goddard in the United States couldn't make rockets so heavy, capable of carrying such a heavy pay-load, but he had far better control of his rockets. The V-1 was so slow, and flew at such a low altitude, that the British would send out Hawker Typhoons, which would fly alongside them, matching their speed, and then edge in and use their wingtips to tilt the rockets off course, causing them to slam into the ground and detonate. The V2 rockets moved much faster, and at a much higher altitude--but they were ludicrously inaccurate. Just because the Americans scooped up the rocket research crews at Peenemunde doesn't mean that nobody else had any expertise.

There are literally thousands of pages of careful analysis which show that absolutely no research of medical value was conducted in the death camps. Are you some kind of crypt0-nazi, a skinhead hiding in the closet?

The enigma machine? That's a laugh. The French bought one in the 1930s on the open market before it was classified by the Nazis, who were largely clueless until the Army tipped them wise. The Poles then engineered an "accident" on the road leading through the "Polish corridor" to Danzig, and got an up-to-date Enigma machine in 1938, which they turned over to the French, then leading the code-busting effort working on Enigma. However, it was the Poles themselves who, from 1932-39 basically devised the means to break Enigma codes. At Bletchley Park in England, even before the war began, English code breakers began working on Enigma encoding, and were very successful, even before they got a copy of the military Enigma machine. Reasonable estimates run that breaking the Enigma code shortened the European war by at least a year.

The first modern electronic computers were built in the United States as part of the Manhattan Project. The Germans weren't even in that game.

The Germans copied sloped armor from the Soviets.

German "advanced" military machines and hardware were material and cost intensive to produce, required high maintenance and were subject to frequent breakdown in continuous service. Not only were they expensive to produce, they had long production times, meaning that, for example, they produced a few thousands tanks during the war. The Soviets produced more than 70,000 tanks, and the Americans produced more than 50,000 of the Sherman tank model alone. The Germans fighting in France had a saying about that. "A Tiger tank can destroy ten Shermans before the Amis (Americans) can get them. The Amis always have at least eleven." Their aircraft was not only not superior, once again they were outproduced by the Americans and Soviets by orders of magnitude. When asked when he knew the war was lost, Hermann Goering said: "When i saw the first Mustang (an American fighter aircraft) over Berlin." Their artillery was not superior to either the Soviet or the American artillery, and the Germans greatly admired the American 155mm howitzer for their rugged reliability. The only advantage the Germans had in artillery was highly developed counterbattery techniques--something for which the Nazis were certainly not responsible. The standard German infantry rifle was a cruel joke. Their ships were not superior, either, leaving aside Hitler's stupidity in using his Navy. USS North Carolina, which came off the ways in 1940, was superior to any battleship afloat, with a main battery of nine sixteen inch guns, and a top speed of 26 knots. This exceeded Bismarck and Tirpitz. Only German submarines proved to be superior to the Allied hardware, and with a loss rate of over 70%, that didn't do them a hell of a lot of good.

The Germans did not have advanced sonar, and in fact didn't have sonar at all. Their listening devices were equivalent to the ASDIC the English were using in the First World War. The U.S. Navy and the Imperial Japanese Navy had the most advanced sonar in the world, beginning far ahead of the Germans and advancing more rapidly throughout the war.

The German radar was a cruel joke on their pilots. The only excellent radar system they possessed was for their night fighters, and it was sufficiently unreliable that they would only allow their night fighters to operate individually, far away from the other night fighters, to avoid confusing the radar and to avoid mid-air collisions. The Americans developed the best radar in the war, and their surface radar doomed the Japanese Imperial Navy.

It was brilliant to use the 88mm guns in an anti-tank role. Once again, that had nothing to do with Hitler. Because the German army was highly adaptable--initially, before fear of Hitler killed all of the initiative--is not evidence that Hitler was good for the world in any way.

I really wonder where you get your ideas. That was a litany of the lies told by the Neo-Nazis.
georgeob1
 
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Reply Wed 1 Sep, 2010 07:51 pm
@Setanta,
Actually the Italians were first to put a jet engine on an aircraft. It was however a very small and inefficient device that merely supplemented the output of a conventional IC engine & propeller.

The germans were way ahead of everyone else in two key areas; (1) Axial flow turbojet engines (the early British variants were relatively inefficient centrifugal flow types). and (2) The use of swept wings to delay the transonic drag rise as aircraft speed exceeded Mach 0.7. In these areas the Allies spent the better part of a decade after the war just duplicating and refining the early German developments.


As for the rest, I agree with you.
HexHammer
 
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Reply Thu 2 Sep, 2010 05:33 am
@plainoldme,
plainoldme wrote:

Well, would we have had them but in a different form and would they have arrived at a different pace?

i have a question: How long will it be before no one remembers Hitler?

Although I was born after the war and after Nuremberg, the Nazis (and not the JApanese) were still current on playgrounds into the 1950s.
Often in war no cost are too high for projeccts that can make a difference in war, whipping results and new thinking ..industial standards were agreed on in matter of weeks, where such might never been realized in even in 100 years without a world war.

It's very unlikely we'll ever forget Hitler, just look at recorded history, things die hard, are rediscoverd ..etc. We still remember the 300 ..even after 2k years later.
Once in history, always in history.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Thu 2 Sep, 2010 01:52 pm
@georgeob1,
Well, my point was that thanks to Hitler, the Me262 did not go into service for nearly two years--and to that extent, one could allege, in a very perverse way, that Hitler was good for the world. But only to the extent that he had already started the war which his stupidity assured the Germans would lose in spectacular fashion and much sooner than they might have done with a competent and sane high command.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 2 Sep, 2010 02:37 pm
@Setanta,
Hitler was also hated by many in the high command of the military.
hotsuma
 
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Reply Mon 7 Nov, 2011 10:34 pm
I don't think so~!!
High Seas
 
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Reply Tue 8 Nov, 2011 10:03 am
@hotsuma,
You heard of the assassination attempt against Hitler? All conspirators were German generals. Where exactly do you base your "thinking"? Try the facts!
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High Seas
 
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Reply Tue 8 Nov, 2011 10:05 am
@cicerone imposter,
He was absolutely detested by the entire East Prussian officer corps - the facts are not in doubt, except in the tiny, prejudiced, minds of some posters here Smile
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Tue 8 Nov, 2011 01:17 pm
@Setanta,
Setanta wrote:

The first modern electronic computers were built in the United States as part of the Manhattan Project. The Germans weren't even in that game.


Sorry for doing this so late, but HS just brought this thread back to life. From Wikipedia.

Quote:
Colossus was the world's first electronic programmable computer. Colossus and its successors were used by British codebreakers to help read encrypted German messages during World War II. They used vacuum tubes (thermionic valves) to perform the calculations.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colossus_computer
fresco
 
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Reply Tue 8 Nov, 2011 02:10 pm
@izzythepush,
Setanta Wrote
Quote:
The Germans weren't even in that game.


Quote:
Zuse( a German National) was also noted for the S2 computing machine, considered the first process-controlled computer. He founded one of the earliest computer businesses in 1941, producing the Z4, which became the world's first commercial computer. In 1946, he designed the first high-level programming language, Plankalkül.[1] In 1969, Zuse suggested the concept of a computation-based universe in his book Rechnender Raum (Calculating Space).

Much of his early work was financed by his family and commerce, but after 1939 he was given resources by the Nazi German Government.[2] Due to World War II, Zuse's work went largely unnoticed in the UK and the US. Possibly his first documented influence on a US company was IBM's option on his patents in 1946.


Colossus was the first electronic programmable computer. Zuse's was mechanical and electronic. The early US ones were electronic but not programmable.
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