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tintin
 
Reply Thu 11 Feb, 2010 10:25 pm
please look at this ..
Because of rising corn prices, investment in ethanol as an alternative energy is as risky as, and for some investors even riskier than, investment in hydrogen fuel cells

please see the co-relation ..rising corn prices vs investment in ethanol ?

corn and ethanol are sources of energy ? what form ?

Also hydrogen fuel cells provides energy ? what form ?

Corn is food . I can't mix it up this with chemical ethanol and hydrogen fuel cell . hence the entire sentence is obscured to me.

Can anyone give me a better insight to this ?

Thanks for time.
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JTT
 
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Reply Thu 11 Feb, 2010 10:51 pm
@tintin,
Quote:
please look at this ..
Because of rising corn prices, investment in ethanol as an alternative energy is as risky as, and for some investors even riskier than, investment in hydrogen fuel cells

please see the co-relation ..rising corn prices vs investment in ethanol ?

corn and ethanol are sources of energy ? what form ?

Corn is being used to produce ethanol, which is mixed with gasoline.


Also hydrogen fuel cells provides energy ? what form ?

Hydrogen fuel cells produce hydrogen which, I believe, used as a fuel source for internal combustion engines


Corn is food . I can't mix it up this with chemical ethanol and hydrogen fuel cell, hence the entire sentence is obscure[ed] to me.

Corn has nothing to do with the hydrogen fuel cells,Tintin.


Corn is used to make ethanol. Corn prices are rising so the price of the ethanol made from corn will rise, making the potential profit margins for corn based ethanol as risky or riskier than hydrogen fuel cells which are also a risky venture.



Can anyone give me a better insight to this ?

Thanks for your time.
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dadpad
 
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Reply Fri 12 Feb, 2010 01:16 am

Ethanol can be produced using feed stock that contains high levels odf sugar such as sugar cane or sugar beets, or cellulose such as corn or maize.
The ethanol production process starts by grinding up the feedstock (in this case the feedstock is corn) so it is more easily and quickly processed in the following steps. Once ground up, the sugar is either dissolved out of the material or the starch or cellulose is converted into sugar.

The sugar is then fed to microbes that use it for food, the microbes produce ethanol and carbon dioxide in the process.

A final step purifies the ethanol to the desired concentration.

Ethanol is also made from a wet-milling process. Many larger ethanol producers use this process, which also yields products such as high-fructose corn sweetener.
dadpad
 
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Reply Fri 12 Feb, 2010 01:24 am
hydrogen fuel cell as simply as possible.

A fuel cell converts the chemicals hydrogen and oxygen into water, and in the process it produces electricity.

It doesnt realy matter how this occors just accept the fact that it does work.

The electricity produced by the fuel cell is used to power an electric motor which powers your vehical.
tintin
 
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Reply Fri 12 Feb, 2010 07:38 am
I'm so glad . You guys are so helpful . I learn t so many new facts today . I see both ethanol and hydrogen fuel cells generates energy which are capable of driving vehicles using combustions.

I see they are using "as risky as", "riskier" ....This is where I'm uncomfortable . What risk they are talking about ? is it that the production has become costly ? do you call this a risk ? or something is there I am missing.

also what is risk in 'investment in hydrogen fuel cells' ??

I don't like the word 'risk' here . Can you please explain what are the possible risks here .

Thanks for your time.
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tintin
 
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Reply Fri 12 Feb, 2010 07:43 am
@dadpad,
Yea. thats true . I also found this diagram
http://scienceprep.org/images/Fuelcell.jpg

very interesting to know this concept.

Thanks for your time.
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tintin
 
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Reply Fri 12 Feb, 2010 07:46 am
@dadpad,
whats the most use of ethanol ? is it mostly used for fuels for vehicles ?
tintin
 
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Reply Fri 12 Feb, 2010 07:47 am
I would request you to answer my comment No: 3,902,586
Setanta
 
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Reply Fri 12 Feb, 2010 08:10 am
@tintin,
Ethanol, in the sense you likely mean it, is only used for vehicle fuel. However, ethanol, in no particular sense, is the form of alcohol which people drink. So there are literally hundreds of forms of ethanol, and probably most of them are produced for human consumption.

The sentence you quoted is equating the word ethanol with its use as fuel. This is sufficiently common these days that if you see the word ethanol you can assume that it means the ethanol which is used for fuel.

Strictly speaking, i'd say ethanol is used most often to produce alcoholic beverages for human consumption. However, the word ethanol is almost never used when referring to those beverages, so if you see the word ethanol, assume they are talking about a fuel source produced by farmers.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Fri 12 Feb, 2010 08:11 am
@tintin,
Keep your shirt on, Buddy. People here answer your questions voluntarily, as a courtesy to you. No one here is obliged to answer your questions.
Ragman
 
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Reply Fri 12 Feb, 2010 10:15 am
@tintin,
{Through the fermentation process, feedstock (such as from corn as one soruce) are reduced into Ethanol. Because of the worldwide demand for Ethanol as a cheap alternative energy source, worldwide corn prices are rising due to the demand. This of course effects the cost of corn as primary food source and as a food additive or by-product (corn syrup, corn meal, etc.), which greatly effects the price of food in general. Livestock eat corn (cattle) or corn by-products (chicken).

Have you tried Google or Wikipedia? If you want specific info, the resource located on Wikipedia is excellent. Most of the questions you ask can be answered there. Most of us enjoy providing answers but using Google or Wikipedia can save you time. Of course, I recognize that sometimes there are cultural differences that can prevent understanding.

Feedstock for Fuel Production

"The dominant ethanol feedstock in warmer regions is sugarcane. In temperate regions, this accessibility has been somewhat replicated by selective breeding of the sugar beet.

In the United States, the main feedstock for the production of ethanol is currently corn. Approximately 2.8 gallons of ethanol are produced from one bushel of corn (0.42 liter per kilogram). While much of the corn turns into ethanol, some of the corn also yields by-products such as DDGS (distillers dried grains with solubles) that can be used to fulfill a portion of the diet of livestock. A bushel of corn produces about 18 pounds of DDGS (320 kilograms of DDGS per metric ton of maize).

Although most of the fermentation plants have been built in corn-producing regions, sorghum is also an important feedstock for ethanol production in the Plains states. Pearl millet is showing promise as an ethanol feedstock for the southeastern U.S. and duckweed potential is being studied.

In some parts of Europe, particularly France and Italy, wine is used as a feedstock due to a massive oversupply termed 'wine lake'. Japan is hoping to use rice wine (sake) as an ethanol source."
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Ragman
 
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Reply Fri 12 Feb, 2010 10:31 am
@tintin,
Perhaps y0u have mistaken Able2Know for a robotic form of information resource, and replies aren't from a program but from individuals. The people here are non-corporate folk such as yourself.

You might consider using Google or Wikipedia (and some imagination) to fashion a keyword search such as 'Alternative Energy source' or something similar.

For example when I typed the keywords 'Ethanol fermentation' into Wikipedia, I got the following link:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethanol_fermentation
Perhaps some responders might keep in mind who the novice users are and that there's often times a cultural as well as language difference. You might also keep in mind that any answers or contributions people provide here are strictly at-will or voluntary.

Online the quantity of common courtesy is not always common and not always as free-flowing as one might hope .
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Ragman
 
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Reply Fri 12 Feb, 2010 10:43 am
@tintin,
Often times with usage of words and phrases in English (British as well as North American), a short-hand version of terms that is/are less explicit results from media and the population over-simplifying those terms. When someone from another culture might read these terms, the context and implicit understanding can get lost in the shuffle.

{Edit: Here's an example of a possible cultural-specific term...'lost in the shuffle'.}
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InfraBlue
 
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Reply Fri 12 Feb, 2010 10:46 am
From what I've read, tintin has been courteous and gracious, perceptions of him having taken off his shirt notwithstanding. He requested an answer to a particular post of his seeing as how he had asked a flurry of questions.
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JTT
 
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Reply Fri 12 Feb, 2010 11:52 am
@Setanta,
And you don't answer for everyone here, you ignorant ass. Ignore the questions if you're so inclined. Tintin and the others will be much better off.
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JTT
 
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Reply Fri 12 Feb, 2010 12:01 pm
@tintin,
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I see they are using "as risky as", "riskier" ....This is where I'm uncomfortable [This is where I get lost/get kind of lost/This is where things get fuzzy] . What risk they are talking about ? is it that the production has become costly ? do you call this a risk ? or something is there I am missing.

Investors always want a return on their money. For investors, the risk is always their money. When there's a new but untried technology, investors normally want and expect a higher return on their investment because it's not been proven that it will work out.


also what is risk in 'investment in hydrogen fuel cells' ??

I don't like the word 'risk' here . Can you please explain what are the possible risks here .


Again, this is not a technology that has all the kinks/bugs/problems worked out yet so the opportunity for failure is there. Failure means investments can be lost.

I guess I was mistaken about how hydrogen fuel cells work but Dadpad straightened it out.


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JTT
 
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Reply Fri 12 Feb, 2010 12:14 pm
@tintin,
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I would request you to answer my comment No: 3,902,586


As you can see, Tintin, even though you may well have thought you were being polite by using 'would', your request came across, to some, as too forward. When we make a request, especially when we're not face to face, English speakers normally go overboard with their "polite" language.

For English wordiness often equates to politeness,deference and when making a request, deference, even extreme deference is probably the better course of action.

While it might seem odd that making a request by using 'request' would not be polite, that's how she works.

I was wondering is a great gambit for showing deference.

I was wondering if someone could take a peek at ... /have a look at ...

I was wondering if someone would be willing to have ...

I was wondering if someone might be willing to take ...

I was wondering if I could (possibly) get someone to take ...

I was wondering if I could (possibly) have someone take a ...

Add a If it wouldn't be too much trouble before the I was wondering to make it even more deferential.
djjd62
 
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Reply Fri 12 Feb, 2010 12:32 pm
what about the "eyeing porn crisis"

High Definition and Porn: a disturbing combination some are saying
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tintin
 
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Reply Fri 12 Feb, 2010 10:30 pm
@JTT,
Thanks JTT ,

I did not know that ! I'm impressed to know this . I'm really learning fast.

I think this would be correct of saying (politely) ..

I was wondering if someone could take a look at comment no 3902591

Also,If you find any mistakes next, please bring to my notice . I'd love to correct my mistakes .

Thanks a lot for the correction.
JTT
 
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Reply Fri 12 Feb, 2010 10:39 pm
@tintin,
You're most welcome, Tintin.

Also, if you find any mistakes next, please bring them to my notice .
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