Atheism

No, but I know what the "H" in Jesus H. Christ stands for. It's Holloway. Our father, which art in heaven, Holloway be thy name.

I always thought it stood for Howdididdlydo.

well Jeremiah was a bullfrog

I heard he was a good friend of yours.

Atheists, read this:

1. A rooster and a hen
Get the egg directly from the cloaca of the hen. Punch a hole and drain the content of the egg. Did you feel any solid? And yet, after so many days, the chicks hatched. Where did the beak and the fine feather come from?

2. A man and his wife
We know that a man produces the semen in liquid form and the egg in liquid form also. And fertilization takes place. And after 40 weeks, a baby is born. But the baby died. After a few years, the baby was exhumed. Where did the baby's skeleton and hair come from?

Please enlighten us peacecrusader888.

Aliens, no doubt.

Ever heard of DNA? That provides the template. The mother's body provides the raw materials. That's why pregnant women eat like a horse. Next stupid question?

Yes, template. Ever follow that to its logical conclusion

yep, evolution and chemical reactions and the laws of physics made it more complex over 4 billion years, a longer time span with more possible things happening than you dan imagine

New attacks from so called religious? Get your own thread.

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Ah yes, the ever popular 'more than you can imagine' factor in atheist Creation Theory.
Sounds like you must believe in miracleS.
Haven’t heard from ros in awhile but he’d a called that 'poofism'.

nah, just science and a whole lot of time. a lot more can happen in four billion years than if everything started in 4004 bce

great things can come out of infinitesimal beginnings with time and if the right chemical raw materials happen to be there.

Forms just change and evolve over time. Energy isn't created or destroyed, so it just keeps manifesting changes, transformation, reformations, etc. of existing forms and systems.

Sometimes the results are good and sometimes they're less good, but either way they keep changing and evolving and adapting.

The interesting thing is that humans have developed/evolved the capacity to see how things work, foresee consequences of choices, and exercise the will to make a certain choice based on how they estimate it will influence causal patterns as we understand them.

This capacity is not totally absent in animals, as you may notice that a dog can scratch at a door or bring a leash to a human with the idea that the human will respond by opening the door or taking the dog for a walk.

But humans have the capacity to think on all sorts of different levels and contemplate all sorts of different interventions in natural patterns of cause and effect that alter natural outcomes, even to the point that we are changing the overall climate of the planet.

Theism is the recognition that these mental and spiritual capacities that humans have evolved to manifest at the highest level we are aware of are not a random occurrence of life at a particular stage of evolution but rather are a manifestation/expression of something latent in the potential of the universe at a fundamental level.

So when we contemplate things like consciousness, intelligence, intent, agency, will, etc. we shouldn't just look for analogs in other species like dogs, but we should trace these analogs all the way back/out to the most general level and try to see even how they arose in living organisms as a result of aspects of non-living matter-energy phenomena from which life evolved.

The point is the God's master-plan is omnipresent in the universe, the same way DNA is omnipresent in all forms of life-as-we-know-it. We just have to keep looking for it, the same way biologists and chemists had to keep looking at (studying) cellular biology until the discovered the existence of DNA and how it functions to manifest all the various proteins that build up the systems of a complex multicellular organism.

should you ever perchance a looksee though a biochem evolution text or a molecular biology text, youd be surprised at how, prebiotic molecules can form an then assemble. in an earths atmosphere not much different than that proposed by Miller and Urey.
The fact that you can "assemble" only the facts from science and havenothing "unique" to your tales of magical creation, kinda leaves your entire arguments built upon denial.

How come your "Intelligent designer" fucked up a few times in kick starting life in the Hadean times ? e have evidence of at least 3 attempts and failures of life (based on chemical "fossils" in Australia, Canada, and Greenland. (Theres a possibility of similar deposits along the edges of the Canadian Shield also.
******* up, is often natures way, stupid but persistent. It often leaves marks in species by the retention of totally unuseable, but over "designed" structures,

AWWWW, you were going so well (without your double speak) until you wrote this piece of verbal hash. You could have easily said it more clearly (the smarter you are, the more simply you can explain things). You hould listen to the Feynman lctures. That guy wa marter than you, pinky , and Ollie combined. Yet his prose and speeh was loded with understandable analogies and humor.

Seek clarity , precision and conciseness . It beats your ultimate word salads. You beleieve that by taking two sides and meeting at some middle ground is some art. Its not, its gibberish.


As far as your belief in "God's Master Plan", Id think that if you wish to try to think scientifically instead of merely "scientistically" , you should always add the evidence from which you draw your conclusions.
What you present seems to be quite a bit off the mark from folks like Leadfoot who ascribes a "possibility " of ID as nothing more than a facility built into the origin of the biochemistry of life.

The ID crowd has always slighted the works of Miller and Urey's first experiments as if it all ended there. The findings of subsequent "spark shots" into an early earth's chemical makeup have yielded all the rebiotic chemicals that, with very little more tweaking , can accomplish things like replication, tropisms and other biological functions.
And the fact that we can see these same chemicals in far distant star spectra gives reasonable (but only moderate ) evidence that life may be a fundamental product of the chemistry of the universe. We Owe a lot to element 14.

From your narrow human perspective, fits and starts might seem like messing up; whereas from a higher perspective, they could be steps in a process of building on earlier steps.