Frank Apisa
 
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Fri 10 Apr, 2015 11:37 am
@layman,
Whatever.

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layman
 
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Fri 10 Apr, 2015 11:42 am
@Frank Apisa,
Quote:
Why not get back on track...


Can't (or won't) answer even the simplest of questions to clarify your "position," Frank?

You don't have beliefs. Couldn't have, because you can't even articulate a position that anyone could believe in (or not).
Frank Apisa
 
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Fri 10 Apr, 2015 11:50 am
@layman,
layman wrote:

Quote:
Why not get back on track...


Can't (or won't) answer even the simplest of questions to clarify your "position," Frank.

You don't have beliefs. Couldn't have, because you can't even articulate a position that anyone could believe in (or not).


If I make a guess...I call it a guess. I do not want to disguise the fact that I am talking about a guess, by calling it a "belief."

Since you would not answer my previous question about what problems you have with that...

...perhaps you will tell me what problems you have with me calling and considesring my guesses...guesses.
layman
 
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Fri 10 Apr, 2015 11:56 am
@Frank Apisa,
Quote:
Since you would not answer my previous question about what problems you have with that...

...perhaps you will tell me what problems you have with me calling and considesring my guesses...guesses.


Without conceding that you have in any way accurately summarized my statements on these matters, Frank, I will simply note that I have already addressed those issues, directly with you, on multiple occasions.

Unlike you, I don't have a compulsion to keep repeating the same questions, and the same answers, over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and......
Frank Apisa
 
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Fri 10 Apr, 2015 12:04 pm
@layman,
Actually...you do.

But I will wait for you to actually answer the question.

In the meantime...this weather really sucks, doesn't it?
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layman
 
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Sat 11 Apr, 2015 09:44 pm
@edgarblythe,
Can you believe it!? This guy is doing a multi-part series for BBC about "atheism" and claims to be an atheist himself, but he doesn't even know what an atheist is!

Right at the beginning he defines "atheism" as "the conviction that god doesn't exist."

Sheeit.....
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Olivier5
 
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Sun 12 Apr, 2015 06:45 am
@argome321,
My point is that believing is not bad per se. Nothing less, nothing more, and not going in circle...
argome321
 
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Sun 12 Apr, 2015 08:05 am
@Olivier5,
Quote:
My point is that believing is not bad per se. Nothing less, nothing more, and not going in circle...


I only said that we were going around in circles because we were just repeating ourselves, reiterating our opinions over and over again.
That was all I meant.
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layman
 
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Sun 12 Apr, 2015 10:44 am
@edgarblythe,
Quote:
Who are The Brights?

Think about your own worldview to decide if it is free of supernatural or mystical deities, forces, and entities.

If you decide that you fit the description above, then you are, by definition, a bright!

http://www.the-brights.net/

Quote:
The term "Bright" was coined by Paul Geisert, a one-time Chicago biology teacher...He sought a new, positive word that might become well-accepted, in the same way that the term "gay" has come to mean "homosexual".

Notable people who have self-identified as brights at one time or another include: biologists Richard Dawkins and Richard J. Roberts; cognitive scientist Steven Pinker; philosophers Daniel Dennett and Massimo Pigliucci...Dawkins compares the coining of bright to the "triumph of consciousness-raising" from the term gay:

"Gay is succinct, uplifting, positive: an "up" word, where homosexual is a down word, and queer, faggot and pooftah are insults. Those of us who subscribe to no religion; those of us whose view of the universe is natural rather than supernatural; those of us who rejoice in the real and scorn the false comfort of the unreal, we need a word of our own, a word like "gay". ... Like gay, it should be a noun hijacked from an adjective, with its original meaning changed but not too much. Like gay, it should be catchy: a potentially prolific meme. Like gay, it should be positive, warm, cheerful, bright.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brights_movement

Quote:
The journalist and noted atheist Christopher Hitchens likewise found it a "cringe-making proposal that atheists should conceitedly nominate themselves to be called 'brights.'"


Hitchens is a damn fool He supported the war against muslim terrorism. Nuff said.
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layman
 
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Sun 12 Apr, 2015 10:57 am
I'm working on writing the new Bright theme song and anthem. Naturally, I had to steal a little (from Sam Cooke), but, so far, whaddya think?

Don't know much about no mystery...
Aint knowin nuthin bout no theology...
Don't know nuthin bout no Holy Book..
I wouldn't even take no look...
But I do know that I'm bright, you see...
And if only you are just as bright as me...
What a wonderful world it would be...

Kinda catchy, doncha think!?
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hingehead
 
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Sun 12 Apr, 2015 03:37 pm
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CCZwf4EWYAESWLn.jpg
layman
 
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Sun 12 Apr, 2015 03:47 pm
@hingehead,
"Without God, what's to stop me from raping all the women I want?

Uhhh, them damn cops, maybe?
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Ionus
 
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Wed 15 Apr, 2015 04:58 am
We cant even get Atheists to agree on a definition of who they are, so why do they lump all religious people together ? Convenience . Esp when engaging in area fire .
layman
 
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Wed 15 Apr, 2015 03:46 pm
@Ionus,
Quote:
We cant even get Atheists to agree on a definition...


No need to agree on the definition of a word that's been banished from the language. There is no such word as "atheist." Me, I'm a BRIGHT, eh!?
Ionus
 
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Wed 15 Apr, 2015 10:09 pm
@layman,
Quote:
There is no such word as "atheist." Me, I'm a BRIGHT, eh!?
Very Happy I think it is a self proclaimed title like 'white supremacists' who turn out to be very unsupreme and a doubtful shade of white .
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Patches
 
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Wed 15 Apr, 2015 10:42 pm
Food for Thought
In order to know that God is not real the person would have to be in all places at all times. It is a foolish big-headed person who believes that they are something and their Creator is nothing.
FBM
 
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Thu 16 Apr, 2015 12:13 am
@Patches,
Whereas it's not the least foolish or big-headed to think that you personally are of such cosmic importance that the putative all-powerful, magical, super-duper creator of everything wants a personal relationship with you.
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Ionus
 
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Thu 16 Apr, 2015 04:52 am
@Patches,
Hey Patches, why will God save you ?
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hingehead
 
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Sun 3 May, 2015 11:45 pm
This is kind of odd (I'd never been aware there was a gender/ethnicity disparity in atheism - only in the media reportage of it) AND the idea that these new atheists have become atheist because religious leaders (and by inference, god(s)) aren't catering to their needs makes me think they hadn't really bought into the theism thing anyway.

Finally, atheists are no longer just old white men
Adam Lee

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/may/03/finally-atheists-are-no-longer-just-old-white-men


When you think of atheists, the face that probably comes to mind is male, white, older and a little bit nerdy. There’s more than a grain of truth to this reputation. Atheist groups in America have traditionally been dominated by older white men – but that may finally be starting to change.

The Barna Group, a Christian polling firm, recently released their 2015 State of Atheism in America report. Based on a year of research on the non-religious demographic, Barna found not just that atheists and agnostics’ numbers are growing rapidly, but that they’re very quickly becoming more diverse.

The most important finding in Barna’s report is that women are joining the atheist community by the millions. In 1993, just 16% of nonbelievers were women, but in 2013, that number was 43% - representing a nearly threefold leap. And this shift isn’t because men are leaving the community, which would bring the gender balance closer to parity. Barna found that the absolute numbers of both male and female atheists have increased in the last twenty years, but the number of women has grown far faster.
The atheist community is becoming more racially and ethnically diverse as well. In 1993, people of color made up just 20% of nonbelievers. The change in these numbers hasn’t been as dramatic, but there’s been change nonetheless, with the number rising to 26% in 2013. Many of these religious skeptics have come from the Hispanic and, especially, Asian communities.

Rapid diversification of the secular community debunks the spurious claims by prominent white male atheists that the lack of diversity had biological reasons. The libertarian skeptic Michael Shermer said that atheism and skepticism are “more of a guy thing”, while Sam Harris infamously attributed the under-representation of women in the atheist community to its lack of an “estrogen vibe”.

The real reason for atheism’s monochrome public image has nothing to do with the subtle effects of testosterone on the brain or natural selection. The fault lies with past generations of leaders who didn’t address the issues that matter most to women and minorities.

It’s only in the past few years that major atheist and humanist organizations have started to make a collective effort to reach out to women and people of color, to include them, to listen to them and to take their concerns seriously. And despite the inevitable backlash, tantrums and harassment from atheism’s regressive faction, this effort is bearing fruit.

Conferences like CFI’s Women in Secularism and this year’s Secular Women Work spotlight the too-often-overlooked contributions and achievements of freethinking activist women. Other large skeptic conventions have sought out and invited feminist groups like the Ada Initiative for ally training in topics like harassment, unconscious bias and microaggressions. We’re increasingly emphasizing the convergence of interests between feminism and humanism, such as when the Humanist Community of Harvard named Anita Sarkeesian its 2015 Humanist of the Year.

Atheists of color, too, have made strides in the past few years, as the broader community realizes the importance of supporting projects like First in the Family Humanist Scholarships to help youths from underprivileged communities go to college, or New Turn to assist former inmates to reintegrate into society. Secular student groups have taken more of an active role in Black Lives Matter and other civil-rights protests. In the aftermath of the Michael Brown shooting, national humanist organizations issued strong statements on racial injustice and marched with protesters in Ferguson.

America is changing and the atheist movement needs to change along with it. As women gain social and political power and the US becomes a majority-minority nation, it’s vital that the secular community sends a message of welcome and inclusion to all kinds of people. Doing anything less is a sure path to irrelevance and demographic decline. Fortunately, if Barna’s findings can be believed, atheists are hearing that message loud and clear.
hingehead
 
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Sun 3 May, 2015 11:49 pm
@hingehead,
And I just loved this 'frank-like' exchange in the comments

PrintScreen wrote:
fourth5 wrote:


It is difficult for an agnostic to understand how atheists and followers of religions differ in any real way. Their certainty is remarkable.


I've never met a self-proclaimed agnostic who wasn't a muddle-head.

Do you even realise what you just implied? You just implied that if A is certain about something, and B is also certain about something, then there is no real difference between beliefs A and B.

 

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