edgarblythe
 
  1  
Tue 8 Apr, 2014 11:28 am
The penalty for atheism in Saudi Arabia: three to twenty years in prison.
neologist
 
  1  
Tue 8 Apr, 2014 01:54 pm
@panzade,
Laughing Laughing
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spendius
 
  0  
Tue 8 Apr, 2014 01:59 pm
@edgarblythe,
Quote:
The penalty for atheism in Saudi Arabia: three to twenty years in prison.


Then it is obviously of some importance to them. Perhaps atheism represents a threat to the structure of inheritance which maintains the ruling class and with which we are on pretty good terms.

And it can't be atheists per se. It must be those who publicly declare it.

Many an atheist has gone through the pious devotions for reasons any sensible atheist will understand. There is no reason not to if there is advantage to it.

Roman emperors did it when visiting regions where other gods were worshipped than their own. Some very strange ones quite often. They also abolished some chthonic ceremonies here in England. As they did elsewhere.

Perhaps they would still be taking place had the Holy Roman Empire never existed. That would be nice wouldn't it ed?

It is not given to many people, especially stone-age and bronze-age people, to think that there is anything much wrong with what was going on or whatever wrongs they did feel they simply accepted.

The alternative being nailed to a cross.

So why would the conditions ever have changed. The Australian aborigines are said to have not changed their ways in 14,000 years. And there must be others.

Anybody who thinks they know more than a drop of gnat's piss about this subject is off their head. Doing a Vienna waltz with their ego.

spendius
 
  0  
Tue 8 Apr, 2014 05:17 pm
@spendius,
I get the impression that some people are going to extraordinary lengths to try to prove that it isn't miraculous.

Dark matter is now brought forth to balance the equations. As nobody knows what it is I suppose it will do the business which I assume to be a bid for power.

Dream on lads.
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farmerman
 
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Tue 8 Apr, 2014 06:09 pm
@Romeo Fabulini,
        http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g64/PoorOldSpike/Religions_2012_zps1a611c24.jpg~original

Do you measure by Christians per square kilometer or Square Kilometers per Christian?
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farmerman
 
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Tue 8 Apr, 2014 06:10 pm
@panzade,
I also heard a variation of that where Joel Osteen writes God a check
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FBM
 
  0  
Tue 8 Apr, 2014 06:10 pm
@spendius,
None of you theists have done the least to explain the blatant contradictions I've brought up for discussion. You've brought up red herrings, dodged, quibbled about this and that, but you're still stuck with the contradictions. Is faith sufficient (Ephesians) or not (James)? Why does the same "word of God" forcefully assert both in contradiction?

spendius wrote:

Quote:
Nobody, yes nobody, can read the Bible convinced that it's a load of ****.


Happens every day. Did you see the part where I said that studying in university in preparation for going to seminary is what convinced me that it's fiction? You genuinely believe that angels had sex with humans and bred a race of giants (Nephilim)? You genuinely believe a burning bush talked to a man? A snake talked to a woman? God made Adam and Eve, they had 2 sons, then all of a sudden Cain finds a wife in the "land of Nod"? That wife just materialize out of thin air, or did she have a family? Were humans created before or after the animals? Genesis gives both accounts. Etc, etc. Yes, spendius, it's precisely BECAUSE we read the Bible that we know it's a load of ****. It's precisely the egotism of theists, who want to be special in the universe, that they blind themselves to the blatantly obvious. A little humility might clear your eyes a bit.
neologist
 
  -2  
Tue 8 Apr, 2014 06:56 pm
@FBM,
FBM wrote:
None of you theists have done the least to explain the blatant contradictions I've brought up for discussion. You've brought up red herrings, dodged, quibbled about this and that, but you're still stuck with the contradictions. Is faith sufficient (Ephesians) or not (James)? Why does the same "word of God" forcefully assert both in contradiction?
Actually, I did answer you. (You may not have seen it because the post was reflexively voted down.) But James continues to explain that faith without works is dead.

BTW, I voted yours back up.
FBM
 
  -1  
Tue 8 Apr, 2014 07:00 pm
@neologist,
neologist wrote:

FBM wrote:
None of you theists have done the least to explain the blatant contradictions I've brought up for discussion. You've brought up red herrings, dodged, quibbled about this and that, but you're still stuck with the contradictions. Is faith sufficient (Ephesians) or not (James)? Why does the same "word of God" forcefully assert both in contradiction?
Actually, I did answer you. (You may not have seen it because the post was reflexively voted down.) But James continues to explain that faith without works is dead.

BTW, I voted yours back up.


Thanks, but that just intensifies the contradiction with Ephesians.
FBM
 
  1  
Tue 8 Apr, 2014 07:56 pm
http://i1330.photobucket.com/albums/w561/hapkido1996/1558422_501811033274170_8193343849309567807_n_zps6619d4c5.jpg
hingehead
 
  1  
Tue 8 Apr, 2014 08:06 pm
@FBM,
But god can do anything. Why couldn't he keep some dude alive in a whale. 'Three days' rings a bell for some reason.
FBM
 
  1  
Tue 8 Apr, 2014 08:09 pm
@hingehead,
Yeah, it does dunnit? Maybe it's the magical number.
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spendius
 
  0  
Wed 9 Apr, 2014 04:59 am
@hingehead,
The Jonah story, hinge, is a poetic metaphor for the Babylonian captivity and the subsequent sending them all back to where they came from.
Romeo Fabulini
 
  0  
Wed 9 Apr, 2014 06:06 am
Quote:
FBM said: None of you theists have done the least to explain the blatant contradictions I've brought up for discussion.

I never dodge a question mate, but in your case I just don't have the time to deal with your big multiple-question blunderbuss blasts!
Here's the deal- present one point at a time like a carefully-aimed snipers bullet, and i'll answer them one at a time with surgical precision in true debating style..Smile
Waddya say Mikey?

"This is this!"
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g64/PoorOldSpike/Photos/this-this.jpg
spendius
 
  1  
Wed 9 Apr, 2014 06:19 am
@spendius,
I'm at a loss as to whether my serial down-thumber is a cod-atheist or a Christian.
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FBM
 
  2  
Wed 9 Apr, 2014 07:12 am
@Romeo Fabulini,
No offence, Romeo, but you're kind of a one-trick pony. Your response to tough questions is to muddy the water with logical fallacies. Boring. Again, no offense, but it's neither interesting, fun nor productive.
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spendius
 
  1  
Wed 9 Apr, 2014 09:03 am
@FBM,
There are no contradictions FBM. There is only your desperate desire to think there are brought on by your unseemly resistance to Christian teaching regarding rumpy-pumpy.

Your post about Jonah is infantile. But what is much worse is your obvious assumption that we are also.

That the teeth of a whale are necessary before the oesophagus can be passed and that the masticated bits of a man could not breathe inside the stomach of a whale and would be broken down in 3 days by the enzymes is so plain an indication that the tale could only be taken literally by a very obtuse person is a measure of your desperation. Well beyond the proverbial clutching at a straw. And everybody knows that clutching a straw is useless for a drowning man and should not be taken literally.
FBM
 
  0  
Wed 9 Apr, 2014 09:07 am
@spendius,
Nice try. Please explain to me how a flesh-and-blood human could survive 3 days in an oxygen-depleted, acid-filled stomach. God, via the Bible, said it happened. You calling him a liar?
spendius
 
  1  
Wed 9 Apr, 2014 09:07 am
@hingehead,
Quote:
'Three days' rings a bell for some reason.


Possibly the faint traces of the mythological slipstream of the Triple Goddess who births, nurtures and sacrifices the hero.
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spendius
 
  1  
Wed 9 Apr, 2014 09:43 am
@FBM,
I already explained it. Powerful and greedy Babylon swallowed the Hebrews, found them unpalatable and spewed them out.

What God? Men wrote and refined the scriptures for political reasons.

Take the Book of Ruth for example. A simple case.

What is in play is the supplanting of an endogamous, matriarchal tribe by an exogamous, patriarchal one with the clear implication that the matriarchal endogamy was the cause of the supplanted tribe's weakness and the patriarchal exogamy the source of the supplanting tribe's strength. Told figuratively.

Ruth is eagerly complicit in her exogamy, in contrast to her sister, and becomes great-grandmother to David. She's a gold-digger too.

And few societies are more exogamous than the USA.

An open mind is necessary to understand the Bible.
 

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