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Panzade posted:

The '2 billion light years' measurement only holds true if distance remains constant throughout the universe.
We could for example speculate that a light year measures LESS the further out into space we go, so that at the furthest edge of the universe it measures just a few inches.
We can therefore visualise the universe as an onion with each shell getting thinner the further out we go.

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@Romeo Fabulini,

Romeo Fabulini wrote:

The '2 billion light years' measurement only holds true if distance remains constant throughout the universe.
We could for example speculate that a light year measures LESS the further out into space we go, so that at the furthest edge of the universe it measures just a few inches. We can therefore visualise the universe as an onion with each shell getting thinner the further out we go.

Heck yeh, we could even speculate that nothing in the Universe is constant and that we are incapable of understanding reality at all. Then we could believe any damn thing we wanted to, couldn't we. That would sure make it easier to believe in religions which don't match up with reality wouldn't it.

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@rosborne979,

I wonder if a more thorough understanding of the Higgs Field might shed some light on the time/distance/energy conundrums that have piqued the interest of so many.

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@neologist,

Translation: I wonder if someone clever could come up with some plausible BS from reports on the Higgs field to underpin the holy rollers' insistence that time is mutable in a way hitherto denied by standard physics.

Sorry, the Higgs field concerns itself with the nature of particles, mass and the weak force--not with time.

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@Setanta,

Nevertheless, the Higgs discovery has accelerated speculation about space time curvature.

For example, no one has yet to explain the existence of the black hole in Carole's purse.

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@rosborne979,

problem with RF is that he cuts and pastes without understanding of what he cuts and pastes.
EINSTEIN stated that gravity (and therefore gravity acceleration) is NOT a force but a property of space time. Newest thinking is saying "Bullshit Albert" you screwed up on QM so what else are you flubbing ?)

I propose that we send an interferometry setup out into deep space and triangulate the red shift from three vantage points onto separate foci. Thiss would give a "center of spreading" just like we do for two dimensions in plate tectonics.

Itd not be cheap but itd be fun

Chrons have been supported by separate un associated events and sediment piles and no error in deep time has emerged.

When we say 4.58 B chrons, we mean 13.56 X 10^6 x 4.58X10^9 X ratio of{ U235/Pb 207 X Lambda U/Lambda Pb +1} X{ ln 1/SIGMA LAMBDA U/Pb}. and we can check by using bio methods for the short term and other isotopes and thermo methods and OSL for others.
When allthe math adds up it shows a really consistent timeline that " minute is a day and a year is a cigar" is found to be pretty much poetry and not science

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For years scientists used to say "Qasars must be incredibly far away because their light is red-shifted so much"
So I wrote to astronomer Sir Patrick Moore saying- "But perhaps their immense gravity is slowing down and red-shifting the light from them, so they're not as far away as they seem, and perhaps they're black holes on the verge of being born?"
He never replied, but in one of his subsequent TV shows he did say "perhaps qasars are black holes that haven't quite been born".. Smile

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@neologist,

neologist wrote:

I wonder if a more thorough understanding of the Higgs Field might shed some light on the time/distance/energy conundrums that have piqued the interest of so many.

What time/distance/energy conundrums are you thinking of?

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"In the entire first Christian century Jesus is not mentioned by a single Greek or Roman historian, religion scholar, politician, philosopher or poet.

His name never occurs in a single inscription, and it is never found in a single piece of private correspondence."

kindly discuss

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He was keepin' a low profile, waiting for his main PR man, Saul of Tarsus, to come along.

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One of the more bizarre aspects of christianity if the contemporary cult of Jesus. Jesus as personal savior (he must be as busy as a one-legged man in an @ss-kickin' contest), Jesus as best buddy or main squeeze. It is totally loony.

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Panzade said: In the entire first Christian century Jesus is not mentioned by a single Greek or Roman historian, religion scholar, politician, philosopher or poet. His name never occurs in a single inscription, and it is never found in a single piece of private correspondence"

So what? Think POLITICS!-
When Christianity began snowballing in popularity after Jesus's execution, the snooty priests and Romans said- "Oops better not let on that it was us who killed him or we'll have a Jesusgate scandal on our hands; let's start hassling christians and banning books about him to airbrush him out of history and people will soon forget him or doubt he even existed!"

Their tactic has fooled gullible atheists but hasn't fooled anybody else.. Smile

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@Romeo Fabulini,

Compared to what Christians faced in the first few centuries this lot on here are little lambs. Baa-ing a lot.

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Setanta said: He [Jesus] was keepin' a low profile, waiting for his main PR man, Saul of Tarsus, to come along

Incidentally Saul was a Roman citizen and wrote 14 of the 27 books of the New T.. Smile

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@Setanta,

Yeah.
First the church sells you on the sin of being human...then it tries to sell you the cure.

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@rosborne979,

rosborne979 wrote:

What time/distance/energy conundrums are you thinking of?

Here's one:
We generally perceive time as a succession of caused events. That would lead us back to a first event having no cause. If time existed before then, how would it be measured? Does this idea permit us to postulate causal loops, other event series having no cause? Or, perhaps time is not linear. . . . .

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@Romeo Fabulini,

You should know, Romeo, where all this stuff comes from. It stems from the luxury of not feeling the need, by the look of it not even knowing there is a need, to provide an alternative to Christianity and provide a passable description of how we might have got here by applying it.

It is like the luxury infants have before they learn that the candy had to be made, and bought with money.

Knocking what is there is all knockers have to knock at you see. One cannot knock what hadn't happened. Without Christianity it would likely be a continuation of what was happening before it. And knocking that took nerve.

The OT describes that pretty well.

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@neologist,

neologist wrote:

Here's one:
We generally perceive time as a succession of caused events. That would lead us back to a first event having no cause. If time existed before then, how would it be measured? Does this idea permit us to postulate causal loops, other event series having no cause? Or, perhaps time is not linear. . . . .

Non sequitur. You are correlating challenges from a pre-big-bang condition (which is completely undefined) to a post bang condition in which conditions are understood and defined. The two Universes (Pre and Post) are isolated and may have completely different characteristics of physics.

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@spendius,

Members of the lower orders knocking established institutions safely is a Christian invention.

It's quite amusing really.

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@rosborne979,

There never was any physics of the sort we have before Christianity.

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