Atheism

@Frank Apisa,

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...and that makes most atheists more honest than most theists.

There's nothing like honesty to produce social amenity.

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@edgarblythe,

LOL If anybody ever needed God's help...it's Charley Brown.

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@Romeo Fabulini,

Romeo Fabulini wrote:

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Frank Apisa said: Most atheists acknowledge they do not know...which is the reason the sign read the way it did...
...and that makes most atheists more honest than most theists

Jesus said- "Nobody knows the Father except the Son" (Luke 10:22)
so it's impossible for any human to grasp what God is.
But many Christians can sense a 'force' out there, and are honest enough to say "that's probably God".

Yeah...it might be Zeus...but more likely, it simply is a product of their mindset, Romeo.

The "probability" of those theists you mention is no more real than the probability mentioned on the bus ads.

I doubt anyone knows the probability; I doubt it can be calculated; and I suspect all talk of probability is blind guessing gone amok.

But that's just me.

Atheists, agnostics and theists alike pull the trigger and take their chance.. Smile

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Star Trek creator Gene Roddenberry "considered himself a humanist and agnostic"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gene_Roddenberry

But he was still open-minded enough not to ban religion from the show.. Smile

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Religion in Star Trek
An alien 'god' demands Kirk worships him but Kirk replies-"Mankind has no need of gods, we find the One quite adequate" (OST: 'Who Mourns for Adonais").
The rebels on Magna Roma, a nearly perfect "Parallel Earth", seem to worship the "sun", which Uhura discovers is actually God's "Son" Jesus. (OST: "Bread and Circuses").
In the wedding chapel on the Enterprise we can see a sort of altar and some religious symbols, among them a cross (OST: "Balance of Terror").
The computer M-5 states: "Murder is contrary to the laws of man and God" (OST: "The Ultimate Computer").
Dr. Ozaba quotes from the Bible- "In His hands are the deep places of the Earth. Psalm 95, verse 4." (OST: "The Empath").
Dr. Phlox says he has been to a Tibetan monastery and that he has attended a mass at St. Peter's Square. This is a most definite statement that religion still plays a role in the 22nd century (ENT: "Cold Front").
Spock, traveling back in time to save his own life, presents himself to his parents as a cousin making a ritual journey "to honor our gods". (TAS: "Yesteryear").
Vulcans, like many other races, believe in a spiritual place from which they as a people were born. Their name for this place is Sha Ka Ree ("Star Trek V").

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@Romeo Fabulini,

Romeo Fabulini wrote:

But he was still open-minded enough not to ban religion from the show..-

In general atheists don't want to ban religion, they just wish the religious would wise up and abandon it on their own.

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Rosborne said: In general atheists don't want to ban religion, they just wish the religious would wise up and abandon it on their own.

Would pilots abandon their aviation beacons that guide them around in fog and night? Nah.
A pilot who did that and preferred flying by his own intuition and the seat of his pants would soon end up splattered against a mountain.. Smile

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@Romeo Fabulini,

Romeo Fabulini wrote:

Would pilots abandon their aviation beacons that guide them around in fog and night? Nah.

That's because aviation beacons are scientifically functional, religion is not. Your analogy sucks beyond belief.

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Rosborne said: That's because aviation beacons are scientifically functional, religion is not. Your analogy sucks beyond belief.

Radio beacons send out invisible radio waves that only your instruments can pick up.
Likewise Christians are able to tune into the "God Beacon", you can see it in their cool confident "thousand-yard stare".. Smile

"For we look at things unseen rather than the seen, for the seen are temporary, but the unseen are eternal" (2 Cor 4:18)

"My Christian faith has been such a backbone through so many difficult times"- Bear Grylls

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"God makes His reality so obvious to us in His creation and in the little mini-miracles that happen everyday"- Becky St James

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"To look out at this kind of creation out here and not believe in God is to me impossible, it just strengthens my faith"- John Glenn

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@spendius,

Christ, what an asshole.

Ah, I see I was several posts behind with my response. But hey, it still works.

For reference, see the cartoon thread.

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@Romeo Fabulini,

Romeo Fabulini wrote:

Likewise Christians are able to tune into the "God Beacon", you can see it in their cool confident "thousand-yard stare"..

Sorry dude, there's no "God Beacon" to tune into, and lots of delusional people have that thousand-yard stare, but it's not for the reason you wish it was.

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@rosborne979,

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In general atheists don't want to ban religion, they just wish the religious would wise up and abandon it on their own.

And if that had happened in the Gothic springtime where would we be now? And if we did it today where would it lead?

Just a few rough outlines will do.

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@rosborne979,

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That's because aviation beacons are scientifically functional, religion is not.

ros likes to keep his definition of science within limits he feels he can manage so that "scientifically functional" only applies to what ros decides it does. Religion not being amongst them despite the Christian religion being the most scientifically functional thing ever seen in the world. Assuming we don't actually meltdown.

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Rosborne said: Sorry dude, there's no "God Beacon" to tune into

Prove it.. Smile

Earthly beacons (and their human operators) are often unreliable, for example Amelia Earhart couldn't tune into Howland Island beacon for whatever reason and went down in the Pacific

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@Romeo Fabulini,

see? that proves it.

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@rosborne979,

At the least, that the religious loonies would leave everyone else alone. The most pernicious aspect of religious belief, whether organized or individual, is the unwavering conviction on the part of the religious that they have the right to attempt to shove it down other people's throats.

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@farmerman,

Yes it proves earthly mechanical beacons malfunction, and so do their human operators.
Many people try to tune into the "God beacon" but fail miserably.
For example George Harrison made a fool of himself by rejecting Jesus and twiddling the tuning dial to tune into the "Harry Krishna" beacon, then dressed in kaftans and beads and played the sitar for the rest of his life.
After he died his ashes were slung into the "sacred" river Ganges, he's a real nowhere man now..

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Setanta said: The most pernicious aspect of religious belief, whether organized or individual, is the unwavering conviction on the part of the religious that they have the right to attempt to shove it down other people's throats.

They just feel sorry for atheists and are being good samaritans to help them see how fabulous Christianity is.. Smile

Atheists let something put them off Jesus long ago (such as stuffy organised religion) so they "get their own back" by badmouthing org rel and Jesus.
It's FINE to put the boot into org rel, I do it myself all the time, but it makes no sense to attack Jesus too!
So in a sense, atheists let org rel CONTROL them by putting them off Jesus!

Romeo Fabulini: nobody controls him!

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@Romeo Fabulini,

Rosborne didn't post that, you f*ckwit. What a constant loser.

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