Atheism

I defy anybody to communicate with you FA on any matter remotely contentious such as whether it might rain later on.

Well, I imagine if I were to use your distorted opinions as a guide, I would have to guess "over and over again."

But no reasonable, logical, intelligent individual would use your opinions as a guide on this.

Anyway...obviously YOU are marking my papers for me, Spendius. Look for yourself at your posts...and you will see. I am getting a kick out of it. You amuse me.

As an aside...and as a friend...you really are not very good at what we are doing here, Spendius. You take yourself too seriously for this kind of give and take. You've gotta be able to laugh at yourself in order to work this kind of schtick...and my guess is you never laugh at yourself.

Keep coming back at me. I'm going to be very disappointed when you finally give up.

People do it all the time, Spendius. People even try to communicate with you!

You will never communicate with me so long as you MYOEPs.

Others may do as they wish. If anybody wants to believe that my posts are, say, "inane", or "nonsense", because you say they are, without further ado , a striking omission, they are perfectly entitled to do so. It's not my place to tell anyone what to think, perish the thought, and I don't give an on the winger anyway.

As I said, Spendius, you really are not very good at this.




Still trying to sell that ****, huh?

Anybody buying it?

I do have to agree to a point. It does seem that people can be momentarily disabled of normal thought processes.

The mind is able to think up some very unusual things at times of stress, intoxication, tumors and so forth.
When the brain is exposed to different environments anything is possible but would you conclude that theism is the only weird thing that the brain can dream up under certain conditions? Or if it may only be a temporary state or long term state depending on what is influencing the brain?

It might also seem that people can be permanently disabled of normal thought processes and only become lucid in moments of high stress.

Freud thought that I think. There's a cliche about concentrating the mind. And there's Resistance Analysis which creates stress on purpose to achieve lucidity.

If you are defining "normal thought" you have MYOEP. Like Apisa.

It seems to me that Gods are a natural response in an organism that has come to self-consciousness, is capable of introspection and has an awareness of death.

It is not easy to declare that the manifold cultures we know about were disabled of normal thought and thus unnatural. Gods are one of the few things they had in common besides their biology. Maybe the only thing.

If orders of priests, shamans, wizards, monks, mullahs and whatnot take advantage of such a situation it is only to be expected, just as beer thirsts produce breweries and pubs, and the antics these ministers and their followers get up to has no philosophical or intellectual bearing on the subject of atheism: there are no Gods. Which is the proposition on which everything else is based.

Normal thoughts as being anti rapist and so forth or what do you mean?



Yes I agree that it is just as natural as masturbation for many but I bet that there may have been some that never have but I can not speak for the ones who have not can you?



I never claimed that they were not natural, only that they are mistaken.




Explain that to them young men who experienced it differently than you and how they said it was an unpleasant experience what them men in those long dark robes did to them.

I can see that my posts are indeed misunderstood.

You're on another rape and being diddled fest rl.

Normal thoughts might be said to be the sort of things history has proved are the natural response in an organism that has come to self-consciousness, is capable of introspection and has an awareness of death.

Are you trying to suggest that the rape of young people is natural?

Well--Prof. Germaine Greer said that all men are rapists and some feminists say that romance is rape.

People are susceptible to natural urges in varying degrees as you might see with eating disorders. Or gambling. If the urge exists there will be extreme susceptibilities to it. If the urge didn't exist the human race would die out.

I don't think you know anywhere near enough about the matter but I do understand your need to be continually appealing to the sentiments of the class to which you belong in order to make your case. It is easy.

"Natural" can only apply to the human condition generally rather than simply to suburban America or England. The chaperonage, which was insisted upon in relation to young women in Jane Austen's novels, often causing considerable trouble and expense, seems to me to have been only justifiable on the assumption that they would be subject to violation if it was not in operation.

The feminists, having insisted upon dispensing with chaperonage, are unwilling to accept the risks in doing so and have wound you up sufficiently for you to expect us all to swoon away with the lurid scenarios you present to us and which you dwell upon so tenderly and obsessively.

Will you define rape for us so that we can get an idea of what you are on about? The history of warfare does suggest that rape is natural just as it does that looting and pillaging also is. I have seen it argued that rape has evolutionary benefits because it counteracts the biological evils of endogamy.

What our media presents to us as rape in order to sell their wares to those of us who are fascinated by the subject can hardly be considered to be exhausting the range of the "natural" state of things. Bride capture, arranged marriage, marketing of daughters, a subject of the movie Titanic, and the evolution of human females as smaller and weaker than males, are all matters to be considered in discussing the subject in relation to "nature".

You are, of course, MYOEP again with your implied claim to be "natural" and others, by definition being unnatural.

Also, your posts lack any sign of courage, appealing as they do to the flimsiest sort of soft thinking and platitudinous simplicities.

You quoted me saying--



and despite another implied claim to be in possession of "normal thoughts" you have made no answer. Even a cursory study of the history of cultures shows quite clearly that religious sensibility is normal if normal is defined as what the vast bulk of mankind thought.

Suggesting your opposite view is normal is simply you MYOEP again. From a natural point of view you're a freak.

The most advanced civilisation before Christianity considered sex with the young, male and female, as an institution.

Your position rl is based on Christian morality. The atheists of the Classical world would have laughed you to scorn.

I presume you have seen the debates going on in your highest councils relating to sexual assaults in the military. The numbers alleged make your point look quite ridiculous.

That has been apparent with just about everyone since the very first thread that you've participated in concerning these subjects.

These subjects?

Atheism, agnosticism, theism, etc.

rl--

According to the U.S. Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS), 2,266,800 adults were incarcerated in U.S. federal and state prisons, and county jails at year-end 2011 – about 0.7% of adults in the U.S. resident population. Additionally, 4,814,200 adults at year-end 2011 were on probation or on parole. In total, 6,977,700 adults were under correctional supervision (probation, parole, jail, or prison) in 2011 – about 2.9% of adults in the U.S. resident population.

I take it you think that the laws are barmy, superstitious nonsense and anachronistic and dragging us back to the stone age. And I can make the case that you would be correct to do so.

I wonder how many jobs, from start to finish, that little lot involves. OJ is still creating jobs.

This and many other articles shed light on what might be going on:

http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/private-prisons-the-more-americans-they-put-behind-bars-the-more-money-they-make

That is an informative article that you shared.

I hope that you will forgive me but I would like to include what spendius had to say as well in this reply.

My quote to spendius, "Are you trying to suggest that the rape of young people is natural?

Spendius seems to think that is but I think that we have evolved past other animals and we have constructed moral concepts even though they have many flaws, "they still show that rape is no longer natural for the majority of humans.

Sure there are some of us who have psychological conditions that would include some into a type of animal psychology but most humans have evolved past that.

Spendius quote.



Sure some of them are. Do you think that none of them are?

No. There is always room for improvement. As no machine is perfect.

The question at issue here is whether the Christian machine is replaced altogether by the Atheist machine rather than simply being tinkered around with.

It is just that your logic that a small number of misbehaving priests prove that Christianity is a dead loss and that God does not exist, an enigmatic question which betrays your arrogance in even considering the matter, leads one to naturally think that the figures I quoted more than prove to your satisfaction that the law is a dead loss and its authority does not exist. For you I mean.

Do you know any serious laws which are not brought in to inhibit behaviour we are naturally disposed to do under commonly, if only occasionally, occurring circumstances. The severity of the law on rape implies by its very existence that rape is natural if circumstances are favourable. It might well be natural that the impulse to murder occurs in many people's lives at some singular point and only the law's severity prevents the bulk of the impulses being carried forward.

Many countries maintain strict control of the circumstances under which men and women meet, and of publications calculated to arouse sexual excitations. The stringency with which such rules are enforced cannot but lead a reasoning logician to conclude that the authorities take a dim view of the idea that rape is not natural. It seems that the great deal of trouble involved would only be taken if it was assumed that, in a climate which is known to excite the animal spirits, rape is natural.

Robbing banks is natural I do believe. Once banks were invented I mean. Look at the number of movies which allow us to briefly imagine robbing banks. And bodice ripping is a genre in the movie industry.