Atheism

No, but it is obvious you want atheists to change.

It is not at all obvious ed.

Unless you mean that they should either answer the question I asked, which you don't, or else pipe down.

When we discuss a political elite operating in another time and place we need, if we are to be taken seriously, to analyze the inner workings of it and ask whether or not it answered the practical needs of the society in which it existed. That is what history is about and not what it "ought to" have been about or what those elites should have done.

When we estimate the policies and institutions of other times and places on the basis of our own opinion of the role they "ought to" have played we are no longer engaged with history at all. We are up to no good not to put to fine a point on it and I know what we are up to when we do it. If it is the Church being discussed it is almost a certainty that what we are up to is undermining the Christian teaching on sexual matters for personal justification.

The reading of values into historical analysis is extremely prone to deception, including self-deception, when the values of the present time and place are made the basis for the selection of materials which are then judged in the light of those present values.

The absence of any historical perspective in this regard is compounded when the evidence for the materials selected is very likely to be drawn from sources guilty of the same error and for the same reasons.

I'm on Ignore ed for the simple reason that it is necessary for some members so that they can continue to think of themselves as historians and snow a few mugs into believing them. Such is life.

Spendius the reason I would like to see theist become atheist is because we would not have people like this voting and being elected into office.

This is a thread for atheists.By its nature it does not proselytize. You on the other hand post thousands of posts on such a thread to convince us that atheism is wrong. I mean, you can't preach religion to atheists on a thread for atheists without that kind of motive.

Spendius is an atheist so why would you make this claim? Maybe you are referring to him thinking that his atheism is the only appropriate form of atheism.

I've seen threads for religious people get pounded by others. Nobody complained about that.



There's plenty of that on here and you have not said a peep about it.



No I don't. If I did I would be guilty of the error I spoke about above. Didn't I just say that atheists should answer the question I asked or pipe down i.e, not proselytize. I'm an atheist and I don't want everybody to be atheists. You guys give atheism a bad name. You're all little Christians when scratched.

I'm not preaching any religion. I'm supporting a social system involving religion waiting for you half-baked atheists to come up with something better. I'm not going to promote atheism because I don't think it will work and I don't think you lot would want it to because you take advantage of the social system as it is and lay on it some revisions to suit your personal needs. Probably in the sexual field and confined to your microcosmic insignificance.

Atheism is a complete revolution which even Stalin didn't dare follow through to its logical conclusion. For sure religion is an opiate. Your choice is either no opiate or alternative opiates. What's it to be ed?

Let's have atheism laid bare. Continually denigrating religion is just a veil to cover a failure to promote the joys of atheism and that is for weak minds.

All spendi really wants is attention.

You don't understand atheism, to be saying what you are about it. Atheism as demonstrated by any I have known does not take to a notion of the biggest toughest running roughshod over the weak. Not physically. If you had the wit to examine who wants to do that as opposed to being generally peaceable, you would decipher that atheists generally are considerate and most keep their convictions to themselves. The atheists on a2k by and large live by the golden rule. It is the fundamentalist religious that most often cry out to echo the vengeful primitive god of the Old Testament. Much of what I have seen of your pronouncements re atheists reads like a dope addict's delusions. None of it jives with any atheists I have met in my entire life. The Ayn Rand philosophy, dreamed up by an atheist, is actively pursued most by fundamentalists, rather than most atheists. The last atheist that told me he followed Rand's Objectivism did so in 1964. Only Christians after that. Atheists are of the ilk that would like to see humankind uplifted, not subjugated by fundamentalist pronouncements. And that is not as an atheist motivated movement, because atheists do not walk in lock step or envision alike the solutions to our problems. You strut around like a cockerel on a dung hill. But you are totally misguided.

Hey, this is a thread for atheists to talk. Read the thread post.

Our talking is not throwing red herrings - your buttinsky zillion posts are.

I doubt any have any interest re whether or not you become atheist.

He has claimed multiple times that he is an atheist yet people are unaware of this I guess because it is rarely that he makes this claim.

Atheists are the pits of the earth in all conditions yet experienced of societies large and small. Their day may come but I hope I don't live to see it because it will be wall-to-wall shite.

Playing violin sonatas means **** all to me ed. You want an intimate restaurant on Saint Valentine's Day for that.

Talk atheism osso. Perhaps I will listen.

atheists have yet to wage a holy war, spendi...

not a lot of religions can say that.

Does this include you spendius or are you suggesting that you have been a lying theist all this time?

It just shows you have an irrational aversion to atheists, nothing more. There is nothing else for me to say to you on the topic.

Of course it includes me.

The pits of the earth, ed, isn't anything to do with me. It is to do with human society. It is a simple fact.

When I look at the world it seems patently absurd for a silly sod like me to take a view of how it got started and works. It's les majesty on the scale of infinitely extensible ego wank. You should take to task those who gave you such an inordinate sense of wonderfulness.

Your problem is that you don't think you are a silly sod. Which is somewhat fanciful imo.

Get Rockie's atheist Holy War started and let's see what it can do. We will have to hope that it can produce something more than stopping Fundies knocking on your door once every blue moon.

It will put a stop to laughing and that's for sure.

Conversation over.

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