Atheism

@spendius,

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As far as I am aware most modern philosophers define atheism as the rejection of the existence of the Christian God.

And conversely theism can be defined as the acceptance of the existence of the Christian God, but again, this is irrelevant to the argument you are attempting to make, the Church's stance on sexual matters.

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I am not concerned about the semantics.

So then get off of it.

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The Church is clear enough on sexual matters. Undermining its position using various forms of wordplay are neither here nor there.

So stop doing it, and get to the point you're trying to make, the Church's stance on sexual matters.

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"In the President we trust" is not considered suitable for dollar bills because more than half of the population wouldn't trust the President as far as they could throw him. According to what I see at least. The only people here who trust the Prime Minister are the more naive of his party workers.

The motto has appeared on US coinage since 1864 and on bills since 1957.

So get the real issue tackled. Undermine the Church's teaching on rumpy-pumpy like Freud and de Sade tried to do. That's what you are actually here to do. Pretending you don't know it won't wash with me. I know why you get your semantics out if you don't.

If the Church taught to look both ways before you cross the road nobody would give a damn about its God and His wisdom. It has to be something personally important to justify the invective and the obsession.

The Church had been trying to wrap its collective head around the fact that The Christ was never reported to have had sex. So, it has taken those traditions, with the necessary tweaks of course, from its pagan predecessors that jibe with this fact, e.g. the eunuch priests and the virginal priestesses of the various pagan gods of the state and the people, and their attendant chastity and austerity. What is missing in this religion, however, is the counterweight of the religious observance of sexuality and licentiousness which was also a part of the preceding religions like the Dionysian Mysteries and the worship of the ancient god Pan.

Perhaps the consumption of pornography fills this want in theists, the Church's views thereof notwithstanding.

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@hingehead,

; )

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@InfraBlue,

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Perhaps the consumption of pornography fills this want in theists,

"Perhaps" eh? Are you not up for committing yourself Blue?

Do atheists have the same "want"? Do atheists consume pornography? If not how do they satisfy the want?

Sell that. Continually criticising theists is void of content. Sell your own attitude on rumpy-pumpy. Do something positive.

I can sell the lot except abortion. Not that I'm going to of course.

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@spendius,

The poshest event in the Society year in Philadelphia during the mid-eighteenth century was The Assembly. The Master of Ceremonies selected the partners for the evening by drawing lots and gentlemen were expected, presumably on pain of ostracism, to take tea with the lady on the morrow.

No doubt the MC was open to some fiduciary persuasion but the general principle has my approval.

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@spendius,

I'll commit to the fullest extent of the meaning of "perhaps" in my statement. I'm open to other arguments.

Sure atheists have the same want, but you're putting it in terms of theism and the Church's stance on the subject of sex and porn. Theists themselves are undermining the Church's position on sex by engaging in sex in ways contrary to the Church's position, and in terms of your argument this is the more relevant matter. That atheists engage in sex in ways contrary to the Church's position is irrelevant as concerns the Church. Atheists don't profess adherence to the Church's position.

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@hingehead,

Excellent! All that turmoil in the Middle East from the religious' fanatics.

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Couldn't resist....

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@hingehead,

I'm so far away from this stuff I can't bring myself to read that.

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@ossobuco,

No need to feel obliged osso.

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@InfraBlue,

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Sure atheists have the same want, but you're putting it in terms of theism and the Church's stance on the subject of sex and porn.

The Church's stance on those matters is entirely designed to produce an orderly, successful and powerful society. You have the cart before the horse. A twee indulgence.

What we need is the atheist's policy to get the same result. Or better still an explanation of how atheism would have got us to where we are starting from about 1,000 BC when life was ghastly. There were plenty of atheists in the Classical Age.

The way atheists engage in sex, (see de Sade), is by no means irrelevant to the production of an orderly, successful and powerful society. You need to argue against that proposition like Lenin did.

The substance of the message is what counts and not its external forms.

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@spendius,

One deviant author describes perverse sex practices and we are expected to believe he represents atheism in total? Get thee to a nunnery.

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@edgarblythe,

What are perverse sex practices to an atheist ed?

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@spendius,

Anything your imagination wants it to be. Mr. Green

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@spendius,

spendius wrote:

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Sure atheists have the same want, but you're putting it in terms of theism and the Church's stance on the subject of sex and porn.

The Church's stance on those matters is entirely designed to produce an orderly, successful and powerful society. You have the cart before the horse. A twee indulgence.

What we need is the atheist's policy to get the same result. Or better still an explanation of how atheism would have got us to where we are starting from about 1,000 BC when life was ghastly. There were plenty of atheists in the Classical Age.

The way atheists engage in sex, (see de Sade), is by no means irrelevant to the production of an orderly, successful and powerful society. You need to argue against that proposition like Lenin did.

The substance of the message is what counts and not its external forms.

The assertion that life in those times was ghastly is merely an opinion seeing as how the classical forms of morality also lead to orderly, successful and powerful societies, and mentioning that there were atheists in those times is also neither here nor there.

Theists engage in the very same forms of sex as the theists do. Your argument is a false dichotomy.

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@InfraBlue,

But Mormons have had it the best; as many wives as they could afford. Drunk

I bet Mitt is a bit pissed that he can no longer accommodate more wives like his forebears.

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"Why do you go on about atheism all the time? Everyone is entitled to their opinion" Including me, right? Also... pic.twitter.com/Zw7wyvIa

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@hingehead,

I personally think that the God delusion is a subjective experience.

I will change my mind when someone is able to show evidence of one existing but until then it is only a figment of the imagination.

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@cicerone imposter,

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bet Mitt is a bit pissed that he can no longer accommodate more wives like his forebears.

But like all such cultures you need to find a way to get rid of all those extra males with no women.....................

Modern such cults drive them out at a fairly young age but I have no idea how the main Mormon church handle the problem in a frontier where women tend to be in short supply in any case.

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@reasoning logic,

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I personally think that the God delusion is a subjective experience.

It's got nothing on the Fiscal Illusion rl.

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