@Intrepid,
Please, this has for moments at a time been a thread for the people it was directed to.
I know you are not a thread walloper, Intrepid. But between all a' yous, and the defensive re the atheists, the quiet and interesting thread has been fucked over, likely for multiply more pages than the original premise.
It's like trying to talk when in the middle of a pastrami sandwich, for those of us interested in trying to talk quietly. Cole slaw all over the place. Was this somehow cute?
Or through thick static.