Missing in action: Where is the mind?

O.K., your conception of "thought" is much more restricted than mine. To me it is all conceptualization, precise as well as fuzzy. For you, as I understand you now, thought is formal thought.
But even the most formal mathematical logical efforts would seem occur on conscious and unconscious levels. Was it Poincare who talked about an
'aha !" response, the sudden resolution of a problem fromf less than conscious mental sources?

JLNobody wrote:

O.K., your conception of "thought" is much more restricted than mine. To me it is all conceptualization, precise as well as fuzzy. For you, as I understand you now, thought is formal thought.
But even the most formal mathematical logical efforts would seem occur on conscious and unconscious levels. Was it Poincare who talked about an
'aha !" response, the sudden resolution of a problem fromf less than conscious mental sources?

I have them all the time as I assimilate knowledge new to me, or try to answer questions I never heard asked... It is like reading Nietzsche, or really any good philosopher...If they make a statement about reality I do not grasp, or does not seem true to my understanding of reality, I ask: is this true... If I find the the point troubling it is there some times consciously, and some time not, and I am not thinking about it it any formal fashion, but my brain seems to with or without my attention, and some times it spits out an answer... But even when Insight offers an answer we must prove it through thought, or disprove it through thought... It may seem a small distinction to make, or to you seem incorrect; but running around in circles is not work even though it is work to run around in circles... People often consciously run around in circles in their brains... They may not have a theory, or a problem, and where ever they stop may not be a solution... Minds wander, but thought is a specific action mimiced by the brain as though it were real...The solutions of others that must be proved independently by us demand reason just as goals we wish to achieve that are problems demand reason provide solutions... To think we must have true, or reasonably accurate concepts and forms... If we are working with a lot of garbage forms the thought we produce from them will be worth no more than idle speculation... Every true form is the result of thought, and thought is what we do with forms, and true forms are always conserved... It would be impossible to compare lengths of lines for example, if the definition of line was not conserved...

Cyracuz wrote:

If by "thought" you mean "deliberate concentration", then no. But I don't believe that is the only kind of thought. I believe thoughts continue beyond my attention span. They are still in my mind, even though they're not in my mind all the time. I believe everyone, unless they are asleep or meditating or severely relaxed to apathetic boredom, has several trails of thought going on all the time. We are never thinking only just one thought.

Just a thought? Thoughts within thoughts within thoughts, infinite multi-verse of mind. The eyes are the windows of the soul.

Procrustes wrote:

This leads me to my next question... How would you know you are hypnotized? Or better yet, would you remember any of those thoughts you had while in that state?

You don't,

voiceindarkness wrote:

Procrustes wrote:

This leads me to my next question... How would you know you are hypnotized? Or better yet, would you remember any of those thoughts you had while in that state?

You don't,

How do you know you are being used, brainwashed and manipulate??? In never hurts first and always hurts afterwords...

tbought is reasoning, deliberate use of logic to prove a conclusion

Bingo!

It means many things but not "everything."
It does seem that consciousness is a thought generator. We can't avoid them while we are conscious. But then we think even when we are unconsious and dreaming.

I like to think of our consciousness as a random thought generator. Would this sound like what thoughts do?

JLNobody wrote:

It means many things but not "everything."
It does seem that consciousness is a thought generator. We can't avoid them while we are conscious. But then we think even when we are unconsious and dreaming.

Everything is thought, WE THOUGHT OF EVERYTHING!!! Sorry. THOUGHT FILLS THE FIRMAMENT. Your mind inspires your emotions, your emotions inspire your mind? Can you tell the difference?