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Missing in action: Where is the mind?

 
 
Fil Albuquerque
 
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Reply Mon 26 Mar, 2012 07:30 am
@Fil Albuquerque,
You and your gang are well flagged as a bunch of passive aggressive s intolerant of any other perspective then yours who have the self contradictory naivety of thinking and truly believing that your nonsensical criticism upon those who favour clarity over obscurantism is a display in favour of social tolerance...it would make me laugh if it was n´t so sad !
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bulldogcoma
 
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Reply Tue 27 Mar, 2012 01:33 am
@Cyracuz,
why the hate fellers?
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Fido
 
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Reply Tue 27 Mar, 2012 05:49 am
@bulldogcoma,
bulldogcoma wrote:

Well, considering the way electrons and molecules travel in the brain, whatever part of your brain your using to form a cohesive thought would have more mass due to electrons bundling in a certain area. Therefore, at the place where the "thought" occurs there would be more mass than existed previously. I don't want to act like I believe that we create mass just by thinking, but rather that our minds put more molecular emphasis on the task we are focusing on. Also, the brain tends to rewire itself due to shifts in perspective, therefore the neurons are pointed more in a particular direction than before, allowing us to adapt to situations our brains have recognized as being more frequent than others (look at the brain scans of yogi monks during meditation.) But, hey, I'm no scientist, I'm just ruminating about nonsensical conclusions which seem accurate to me...
I once met a neuroscientist many years ago, over twenty five years ago, when it may be presumed science of the sort was primitive compared to this moment, and at th time, they could give a mouse some sort or experience, kill them instantly, and find chemical traces of the experience in transmitters and inhibitors, and etc... Science can tell us a lot, and give us a great deal of predictability... Same with brain scans, that they can confirm when people are, for example, psychopathic... Yet, such scans only confirm what would otherwise be obvious to at least some observers if they took time to look... Psychopaths gravitate to certain positions in society, study behavior on their own, and mimic enough to fit in...

General conclusions are not difficult to draw... Predictability may be had concerning human behavior and possible outcomes of life almost from the delivery room... We might say as much simply by looking at house hold income, parental drug use, or level of education... We do not need to look too closely or long and the human brain to draw relevant conclusions, and we certainly do not have to flash freeze it, and disect it to know enough to do some good.. We can say, simply by looking at the results -that thought has moment if not weight... Still, the problem of physics, of uncertainty, makes all hard and fast conclusions regarding the brain inapplicable to any individual at any given moment...

We tend toward determanism, and uncertainty gives life to free will... We can look at the most pathological people like hitler, or the fictional Hanibal Lecter, and see that even they could find some excuse for doing good when it suited their purpose or did not conflict with it... The difference may be that the moral person can be moral without thought, and the pathological can only be logically moral... I am inclined to believe, and to accept that people do much evil in trying to do good, and can do good even by way of doing evil simply because it is impossible to be pathological for long without the ability to conceal ones personality and purpose which reveals a consciousness of good and evil, of morality and immorality...They can conceal their character from us... I do not think they can conceal their character from themselves...
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Fido
 
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Reply Tue 27 Mar, 2012 05:53 am
@Cyracuz,
Cyracuz wrote:

I may have got this all wrong, but it is my impression that the newer theories of physics tells us that the physical realm we can observe is just the tip of the proverbial iceberg.
We need to get it into our heads that "physicality" is our perception.
The physical is what we can conceive of, form an idea of...When science actually discovers another physical dimension it will cease to be phenomena, and then be something, specifiacally, something that can be conceived of, measured and communicated... Perception cannot be communicated... Ideas, forms, concepts, notions can be communicated...
voiceindarkness
 
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Reply Wed 28 Mar, 2012 02:47 pm
@Fido,
Fido wrote:

voiceindarkness wrote:

You nerd turds trying to impress each other, with your big words and fancy phrases?

What do you know that wasn't taught you, or influenced by something outside of you?

What have you actually witnessed, first hand experience, of life and reality?

What have you seen that makes you a credible witness, or a judge of anything?

All that you know, is only what you think you know.


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First; Thank you for lumping me with the nerds instead of the Jocks... I get complements on looking like Rodins's thinker, especially when I am caught on the pot... In any event, it is by force of will that knowledge is gained, and for those who discover anything new, there is no doubt to them that they have learned something because the effort born of necessity always bears the sweetest fruit when it bear fruit at all...
Here's a point to ponder.
Can you understand the difference between, The Spirit of the Mind and the Mind of the Spirit?

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The proof of our knowledge is our survival... If you removed the knowledge gained in the last hundred years it would be obvious in a drop of population to one that could be supported by a less advanced technology...
The past millennial is the prelude to the end of time and the revealing of the secrets of man and God.

Notice, each decade in the past millennial is carried by specific themes, transforming the collective evolution of the mind, within the US of America?

The politics of the US of America is flowing in one direction, Police State with total control of its' citizens, War Machine, and World Police.

Did you know ,there are ten levels of secrecy above the President that the President need not know about, ten levels above Top Secret, the top level is called Majestic.

Did you know there are constructed and being constructed concentration camps across America, next to the railroads, complete with playground equipment and facilities for entire families?

There are also stockpiles of plastic coffins, each coffin able to contain several bodies.

Rev 13:4 And they worshiped the dragon which gave power unto the beast : and they worshiped the beast, saying , Who is like unto the beast ? who is able to make war with him?

Cyracuz
 
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Reply Wed 28 Mar, 2012 04:57 pm
@Fido,
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The physical is what we can conceive of, form an idea of...


If we think of reality in the sense of sub atomic phenomena, which is the most accurate description of it to date, we have to think of perception on the same level of reality. We have to consider that our senses are making quantum measurements continuously, and the combined input from all our senses appear to us as the macro-cosmos. But it is only in our human reality, or in that of beings similar to us, that the macro-cosmos exists.

To me this suggests that thoughts and consciousness are involved in shaping reality, and that "physical" is a matter of thought.
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voiceindarkness
 
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Reply Tue 3 Apr, 2012 11:07 pm
@voiceindarkness,
Can you understand the difference between, The SPIRIT of the MIND and the MIND of the SPIRIT? Wink

Heads up on the passing of the EVENT HO RISEN, Neutral

Past the POINT of NO RETURN. Confused

LIGHT is become THREE, Smile

LISA, MYSELF, and REALITY. Very Happy

DARKNESS, NEUTRALITY, and the SINGULARITY. Cool

SEVEN YEARS IN, Smile

the KINGDOM BEGINS, Very Happy

just beyond the TERROR of the DESTRUCTION. Cool

DARKNESS WITHOUT, Evil or Very Mad

DARKNESS WITHIN, Twisted Evil

DANCING with the STARS, Shocked

how I wonder WHAT you ARE? Cool


jhort
 
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Reply Tue 3 Apr, 2012 11:20 pm
@voiceindarkness,
While I am going to be playing into the inference game less and less,
To this little jab I believe that it may be helpful to address,
I do indeed know the difference between Spirit and Mind,
Spirit is the reason and heart and the intention of one's drive,
Mind is where wisdom and discernment lay edge upon edge,
And living life for the love of man, understanding through the fear of God, is the connection between mind and spirit. That is how the heart and truth are manifest through knowledge.

You don't need to take my word for it though.
voiceindarkness
 
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Reply Wed 4 Apr, 2012 02:13 am
@voiceindarkness,
THEY counted THEMSELVES as 1, Smile

and so THEY ARE. Very Happy

They counted ALL OTHERS as 0, Neutral

and so THEY ARE. Cool

YOU are ether HERE Twisted Evil

or THERE, Evil or Very Mad

yet YOU are EVERYWHERE Shocked

<IT IS ALL IN THE MATH> Cool
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Fido
 
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Reply Wed 4 Apr, 2012 06:26 am
@voiceindarkness,
voiceindarkness wrote:

Can you understand the difference between, The SPIRIT of the MIND and the MIND of the SPIRIT? Wink

Heads up on the passing of the EVENT HO RISEN, Neutral

Past the POINT of NO RETURN. Confused

LIGHT is become THREE, Smile

LISA, MYSELF, and REALITY. Very Happy

DARKNESS, NEUTRALITY, and the SINGULARITY. Cool

SEVEN YEARS IN, Smile

the KINGDOM BEGINS, Very Happy

just beyond the TERROR of the DESTRUCTION. Cool

DARKNESS WITHOUT, Evil or Very Mad

DARKNESS WITHIN, Twisted Evil

DANCING with the STARS, Shocked

how I wonder WHAT you ARE? Cool



You are not a gun owner by any chance???
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Fido
 
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Reply Wed 4 Apr, 2012 06:30 am
@jhort,
jhort wrote:

While I am going to be playing into the inference game less and less,
To this little jab I believe that it may be helpful to address,
I do indeed know the difference between Spirit and Mind,
Spirit is the reason and heart and the intention of one's drive,
Mind is where wisdom and discernment lay edge upon edge,
And living life for the love of man, understanding through the fear of God, is the connection between mind and spirit. That is how the heart and truth are manifest through knowledge.

You don't need to take my word for it though.
When ever two Napoleons enter a room, only one leaves...Which of you two clowns is planning on being the horse and which is planning on being the rider???
JLNobody
 
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Reply Wed 4 Apr, 2012 03:21 pm
@Fido,
When two Napoleans enter a room one inevitably ends up as the f**ker and the other the f**ee, What I want to know is why did they enter the room?
Philippos
 
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Reply Wed 4 Apr, 2012 03:35 pm
@JLNobody,
What was the deal with Napoleon anyway? Being small aint nothing to be ashamed of. David knocked Goliath on his butt with a stone....The kingdom of heaven is like a mustard seed....It was the smallest character in Oz that exposed the Wizard....many more, too.
Cyracuz
 
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Reply Wed 4 Apr, 2012 06:16 pm
@JLNobody,
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When two Napoleans enter a room one inevitably ends up as the f**ker and the other the f**ee, What I want to know is why did they enter the room?


There was cake.
JLNobody
 
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Reply Wed 4 Apr, 2012 07:59 pm
@Philippos,
But wasn't David's stone a really big one?
JLNobody
 
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Reply Wed 4 Apr, 2012 08:00 pm
@Cyracuz,
Cake, of course. Why didn't I see that?
Philippos
 
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Reply Wed 4 Apr, 2012 08:35 pm
@JLNobody,
Good point.
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Fido
 
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Reply Thu 5 Apr, 2012 06:55 am
@Philippos,
Philippos wrote:

What was the deal with Napoleon anyway? Being small aint nothing to be ashamed of. David knocked Goliath on his butt with a stone....The kingdom of heaven is like a mustard seed....It was the smallest character in Oz that exposed the Wizard....many more, too.
Being small is almost a guarantee that you will think big... Lenin and Lawrence of Arabia were about 5'3"... Clearly, a lot of small men have big feet.. You do know that the Wizard of Oz is an allegory??? If you think for a moment it will all come to you... Consider its political contexts...
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Fido
 
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Reply Thu 5 Apr, 2012 06:57 am
@JLNobody,
JLNobody wrote:

When two Napoleans enter a room one inevitably ends up as the f**ker and the other the f**ee, What I want to know is why did they enter the room?
To get to the other side??? Why did the Chicken cross the road??? To show the opossum it could be done!!!
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voiceindarkness
 
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Reply Thu 5 Apr, 2012 10:00 am
@jhort,
jhort wrote:

While I am going to be playing into the inference game less and less,
To this little jab I believe that it may be helpful to address,
I do indeed know the difference between Spirit and Mind,
Spirit is the reason and heart and the intention of one's drive,
Mind is where wisdom and discernment lay edge upon edge,
And living life for the love of man, understanding through the fear of God, is the connection between mind and spirit. That is how the heart and truth are manifest through knowledge.

You don't need to take my word for it though.
The question was not, do you know the difference between Spirit and Mind, the question is, do you know the difference between the Spirit of the Mind, and the Mind of The Spirit? Wink

The CHILDREN of DARKNESS, The CHILDREN of LIGHT?

CARNAL MIND, Neutral SPIRITUAL MIND Cool

The SPIRIT created by the MIND, the MIND created by the SPIRIT,

the REALITY created by the MIND, the REALITY created by the SPIRIT?

The MIND rules the HEART, Confused the HEART rules the MIND? Cool



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