TIME TRAVEL: WHAT WOUD U CHANGE ??

@OmSigDAVID,

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did not relinquish their right to leave the union
independently, if so thay chose, the same way that when we joined
the UN, we did not lock ourselves in permanently, against our will.

It does not matter one little tiny bit your or my opinion what is right or correct only what is.

If the UN had the forces on hand to imposed a rule that we could not leave it then we could not leave it and it would not matter if we was told we could not leave when we join or not told we could not leave once we join.

The states can not leave the union and that was proven by force of arms and the cost of 800,000 lives.

Side note the Confederate states of America did place in their short live constitution a clause that their states could not leave. Kind of amusing is it not?

Your living in a dream world where your moral opinion on what the constitution and the government should be is fine if you find that to your amusement but it is still a fantasy world.

We are one nation and the Federal government is supreme and that is a fact not an opinion or a moral judgment on how out system work and likely will continue to work.

The Constitution is what the Supreme Court said it is and your opinion otherwise have no effect on anything in the real world.

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How about we go back and kidnap baby Hitler and take him to the 21st Century with us, then raise him in a rural setting, perhaps among sheepherders?

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With what goal ?

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I sincerely do not know any sheepherders.

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@BillRM,

David wrote:

did not relinquish their right to leave the union
independently, if so thay chose, the same way that when we joined
the UN, we did not lock ourselves in permanently, against our will.

BillRM wrote:

It does not matter one little tiny bit your or my opinion what is right or correct only what is.

My, my: how great a DISCOVERY u have made, Bill.
Spread the news.

BillRM wrote:

If the UN had the forces on hand to imposed a rule that we could
not leave it then we could not leave it and it would not matter
if we was told we could not leave when we join or not told
we could not leave once we join.

I need not re-iterate what I already said.

BillRM wrote:

The states can not leave the union and that was proven
by force of arms and the cost of 800,000 lives.

Do thay give Nobel Prizes for saying what everyone already knows?

BillRM wrote:

Side note the Confederate states of America did place in their short live constitution
a clause that their states could not leave. Kind of amusing is it not?

One of the CSA was Texas, whose Constitution included a provision that:
"anybody and everybody is expressly authorized to form a militia
to overthrow the government of Texas." That continued until
the Yankee government of occupation (the carpetbaggers)
overthrew that Constitution.

BillRM wrote:

Your living in a dream world where your moral opinion on what the constitution
and the government should be is fine if you find that to your
amusement but it is still a fantasy world.

I said ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about what shoud be, tho I did offer an opinion of what the Founders
actually agreed to in the Constitution and in its Bill of Rights.
I did not advocate that a state shoud withdraw from the union,
as u seem to imply.

BillRM wrote:

We are one nation and the Federal government is supreme and
that is a fact not an opinion or a moral judgment on how out
system work and likely will continue to work.

U think that is news ??

BillRM wrote:

The Constitution is what the Supreme Court said it is and your opinion
otherwise have no effect on anything in the real world.

No; not exactly. The Constitution is what is written there. The USSC can change how it is applied,
but it cannot change the history of what is written there.

David

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@OmSigDAVID,

I guess we are now in total agreement the government system we now have is a fact and your whining about what it should had been instead is pointless.

As far as what the foundering fathers constitutional writings meant, your opinion carry no more weight then anyone else and only the nine men and women on the Supreme court matter.

Now concerning the moral problems you brought up for not following the path that you think the founding fathers set us on they are non-existed for a numbers of reasons.

First such a system of government as you would wish for did not work under the Article of Confederation and under your understanding would not have work under the Constitution. Our system given it beginnings could not had successfully follow the path of a weak national government and with the states being the main power centers and would had resulted in the US committing suicide as a nation and there in no morality in pointless suicide.

Second there was a large percent of the foundering fathers who wished and planned for a strong central government such as Hamilton and to state that all the foundering fathers was in the Jefferson mode is completely wrong.

Side note as Hamilton predicted when Jefferson became president he used and even expanded the powers of the Federal government and did not allow any silliness of a theory of a weak national government to stand in his way.

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@BillRM,

BillRM wrote:

I guess we are now in total agreement the government system we now have is a fact
and your whining about what it should had been instead is pointless.

Bill: u appear to be an exceptionally stupid man,
in addition to your being ignorant of how to write English grammar.

Everyone on this thread except YOU,
shows that he understands that this thread is only about:
"TIME TRAVEL: WHAT WOUD U CHANGE ?? "

THAT is the reason that it has that title.

This is a speculation thread
indulging the fantasy that we coud change things
if we were able to travel back thru time;
that is NOT complaining, nor "whining" as u so gracefully put it.
For example, I contributed that I 'd go back
and rescue Abraham Lincoln from assassination,
if it were possible to DO that, which it is NOT.

Got the idea now ?????

If u don 't wish to participate in this,
then Y not go find an English teacher
and spend your time learning how to write English grammar.

After u learn that, u can decide whether or not
to adopt fonetic spelling, as I did.

David

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I wood goe bak in thyme and murdar OMSIGdavid's ancestor so hee wood knot torment us with hiz dum spelling obsecion.

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In the early years of my life,
I thawt of going back in time and preventing someone from
interfering with one of my ancestors; however, upon later
re-consideration, it occurred to me that if I did,
I 'd very likely create a temporal paradox
that disrupted the circumstances of my own birth.

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@OmSigDAVID,

You should have done it!!

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@contrex,

contrex wrote:

You should have done it!!

NO! That 's a terrible idea!

I am too GOOD to eradicate!
I LOVE ME!!!!!

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@BillRM,

I have to dmit that I get a tickle in my ribs reading Bills take on US history. Theres so much there to reset his compass that I wouldnt know where to begin.

Bill, start over and this time read some of the footnoted materials.

ALSO, David, how dare you give suggestions on the written

word!!. Bill is a foreigner who hasnt yet mastered the nuance of our language. He doesnt purposely write like a dropout from Sesame Street

ALSO, I agree that getting John Wilkes Booth would only be a "Feel Good" thing. I dont think racial relations would have been affected one way or another since Lincoln himself was not a believer in integration.

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@farmerman,

farmerman wrote:

I have to dmit that I get a tickle in my ribs reading Bills take on US history.
Theres so much there to reset his compass that I wouldnt know where to begin.

Bill, start over and this time read some of the footnoted materials.

ALSO, David, how dare you give suggestions on the written word!!
Bill is a foreigner who hasnt yet mastered the nuance of our language.
He doesnt purposely write like a dropout from Sesame Street.

WHATAYAMEAN "YET" ??
There has been ZERO improvement in his grammar skills.
It gets on my nerves. Its not the proverbial "rocket science".

His error appears 100% stable and permanent.

Then he comes on my thread, which is conceived and dedicated to
speculative, opinion-based fantasy of what we 'd do IF we were able,
and he complains about "whining".

Its annoying; I think he shoud know better.

If he wants a different thread,
then let him start his own, designed to his own choices and tastes.

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@farmerman,

Wht would I change? I think Id go back to the age of Samudra Gupta and actas an advisor for technology so that he could have extended the Guptans into Western Europe before the the Laqter Gupta emperors fucked away their opportunity at extending a fairly advanced civilization.
The Indians get little credit for their accomp[lishments. Id have liked to see the Guptas oversseing Midievcal Europe, Perhaps there wouldnt have been a "dark AGes" loaded with a controlling despotic Catholic Church.

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@OmSigDAVID,

I notice that, whenever you deliver diatribes about anothers own delivery skills , your spelling improves markedly. COINCIDENCE? I think not.

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@farmerman,

I will confess that I don 't know much about the Guptans.

If it were possible,
I 'd love to go back and defend the Library of Alexandria from arson.

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@farmerman,

farmerman wrote:

I notice that, whenever you deliver diatribes about anothers own delivery skills,
your spelling improves markedly. COINCIDENCE? I think not.

When I get excited or annoyed, I may drop into reverting
to the paradigm to which I was habituated for many decades (unless overcome by torpor).

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@farmerman,

Thank for now that we had switched to personal attacks there is no question that I had won once more.

As far as the sin of being off thread David my silly friend you are the one who began going down that road and now that I had once more skillfully handed your rear end to you using my far superior knowledge of history all you can do is hide behind such a charge?

Love it and god I am good even if the two of you together are not any real challenge, it still feel good to win.

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@OmSigDAVID,

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If it were possible,
I 'd love to go back and defend the Library of Alexandria from arson

.

Sorry but that library and it books collection was harm any numbers of times over it history not in just one event that could had been stop.

Given time travel the solution would have been to bring back the technology of the printing press and therefore spreading books far and wide beyond the power of any one event or events to destroy.

One of my fears is it some world wide disaster would come about that would result in wiping out our technology after we had turn all of the books into electronic records as there would be little available knowledge for the survivors to rebuild with.

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@OmSigDAVID,

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When I get excited or annoyed, I may drop into reverting
to the paradigm to which I was habituated for many decades (unless overcome by torpor).

You truly are a son-of a-habitue

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