GOD IS FIRST
 
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Reply Wed 6 Jan, 2010 04:19 pm
@boomerang,
Thank you for your comment. This is just the most horrable thing that has happened. I am so scared. I could not live without my girls.
GOD IS FIRST
 
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Reply Wed 6 Jan, 2010 04:21 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
It was not a whip. You are dillusional and I am sure you don't have kids and if you do I can't wait to see how they turn out.
chai2
 
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Reply Wed 6 Jan, 2010 04:24 pm
I have never heard someone calling hitting a person with a belt a "spanking"

To me, a spanking is meant for a small child, to get their attention. What I mean by spanking is an open handed slap on the behind, which causes no pain but makes a loud enough noise to make the kid take notice.
One loud, painless slap, maybe 2, no more.
In most cases the slap would be painless because it would be given to a child wearing thick diapers. It's a "hey, listen up"
At that, being physical like that would only be as a last resort, or to impress the importance of the moment.
I perfect example of doing what I call a spanking is if your toddler took off running toward a busy street. On catching them, they need to know that was really out of line, and a loud noise would get them looking at you so you can express your fear for them doing something like that.

I have never gotten the concept of hitting a child in any way that would cause pain. That just teaches a person fear, and humiliation.

I can state for a fact I was only hit once as a child, and I still resent it. There was no reason to do it, it was strictly out of anothers not wanting to deal with the situation like a human being.

To me, hitting a child, or anyone, with a belt, is barbaric.
GOD IS FIRST
 
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Reply Wed 6 Jan, 2010 04:25 pm
@djjd62,
When she was younger and had siezers I was the one who took her to all the doctors and I was the one who went to all the sleep studies, we were the ones who fought for custody agains her mother who was unfit. I didn't post for judgement but help. If people think I should loose my kids to a system where they will be melested and mistreated I pray that this never happens to any of yall.
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boomerang
 
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Reply Wed 6 Jan, 2010 04:26 pm
Quote:
Ten Reasons Not to Hit Your Kids
by Jan Hunt, M.Sc.


"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims, may be the most oppressive. Those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." - C.S. Lewis, 1952

In 24 countries around the world, it is illegal for a parent, teacher, or anyone else to spank a child, and 113 countries prohibit corporal punishment in schools.1 Yet in all of North America, physical punishment by a parent, as long as it is not severe, is still seen by many as necessary discipline, and condoned, or sadly, even encouraged.
For the past several years, many psychiatrists, sociological researchers, and parents have recommended that we seriously consider banning the physical punishment of children. The most important reason, according to Dr. Peter Newell, coordinator of the organization End Punishment of Children (EPOCH)2, is that "all people have the right to protection of their physical integrity, and children are people too."3

1. Hitting children teaches them to become hitters themselves. Extensive research data is now available to support a direct correlation between corporal punishment in childhood and aggressive or violent behavior in the teenage and adult years. Virtually all of the most dangerous criminals were regularly threatened and punished in childhood. It is nature's plan that children learn attitudes and behaviors through observation and imitation of their parents' actions, for good or ill. Thus it is the responsibility of parents to set an example of empathy and wisdom.

2. In many cases of so-called "bad behavior", the child is simply responding in the only way he can, given his age and experience, to neglect of basic needs. Among these needs are: proper sleep and nutrition, treatment of hidden allergy, fresh air, exercise, and sufficient freedom to explore the world around him. But his greatest need is for his parents' undivided attention. In these busy times, few children receive sufficient time and attention from their parents, who are often too distracted by their own problems and worries to treat their children with patience and empathy. It is surely wrong and unfair to punish a child for responding in a natural way to having important needs neglected. For this reason, punishment is not only ineffective in the long run, it is also clearly unjust.

3. Punishment distracts the child from learning how to resolve conflict in an effective and humane way. As the educator John Holt wrote, "When we make a child afraid, we stop learning dead in its tracks." A punished child becomes preoccupied with feelings of anger and fantasies of revenge, and is thus deprived of the opportunity to learn more effective methods of solving the problem at hand. Thus, a punished child learns little about how to handle or prevent similar situations in the future.

4. The phrase "Spare the rod and spoil the child" is not from the Bible but from Samuel Butler's "Hudibras", a 17th Century satirical poem. The poem, like his novel, The Way of All Flesh, was written to expose and denounce violence against children.

While the "rod" is mentioned many times in the Bible, it is only in the Book of Proverbs that this word is used in connection with parenting. The book of Proverbs is attributed to Solomon, an extremely cruel man whose harsh methods of discipline led his own son, Rehoboam, to become a tyrannical and oppressive dictator who only narrowly escaped being stoned to death for his cruelty. In the Bible there is no support for harsh discipline outside of Solomon's Proverbs. By contrast, the writings in the Gospels, the most important books in the Bible for Christians, contain the teachings of Jesus Christ, who urged mercy, forgiveness, humility, and non-violence. Jesus saw children as being close to God, and urged love, never punishment.4

5. Punishment interferes with the bond between parent and child, as it is not human nature to feel loving toward someone who hurts us. The true spirit of cooperation which every parent desires can arise only through a strong bond based on mutual feelings of love and respect. Punishment, even when it appears to work, can produce only superficially good behavior based on fear, which can only take place until the child is old enough to resist. In contrast, cooperation based on respect will last permanently, bringing many years of mutual happiness as the child and parent grow older.

6. Many parents never learned in their own childhood that there are positive ways of relating to children. When punishment does not accomplish the desired goals, and if the parent is unaware of alternative methods, punishment can escalate to more frequent and dangerous actions against the child.

7. Anger and frustration which cannot be safely expressed by a child become stored inside; angry teenagers do not fall from the sky. Anger that has been accumulating for many years can come as a shock to parents whose child now feels strong enough to express this rage. Punishment may appear to produce "good behavior" in the early years, but always at a high price, paid by parents and by society as a whole, as the child enters adolescence and early adulthood.

8. Spanking on the buttocks, an erogenous zone in childhood, can create in the child's mind an association between pain and sexual pleasure, and lead to difficulties in adulthood. "Spanking wanted" ads in alternative newspapers attest to the sad consequences of this confusion of pain and pleasure. If a child receives little parental attention except when being punished, this will further merge the concepts of pain and pleasure in the child's mind. A child in this situation will have little self-esteem, believing he deserves nothing better. For more on this topic, see "The Sexual Dangers of Spanking Children" (also in French).

Even relatively moderate spanking can be physically dangerous. Blows to the lower end of the spinal column send shock waves along the length of the spine, and may injure the child. The prevalence of lower back pain among adults in our society may well have its origins in childhood punishment. Some children have become paralyzed through nerve damage from spanking, and some have died after mild paddlings, due to undiagnosed medical complications.

9. Physical punishment gives the dangerous and unfair message that "might makes right", that it is permissible to hurt someone else, provided they are smaller and less powerful than you are. The child then concludes that it is permissible to mistreat younger or smaller children. When he becomes an adult, he can feel little compassion for those less fortunate than he is, and fears those who are more powerful. This will hinder the establishment of meaningful relationships so essential to an emotionally fulfilling life.

10. Because children learn through parental modeling, physical punishment gives the message that hitting is an appropriate way to express feelings and to solve problems. If a child does not observe a parent solving problems in a creative and humane way, it can be difficult for him to learn to do this himself. For this reason, unskilled parenting often continues into the next generation.

Gentle instruction, supported by a strong foundation of love and respect, is the only truly effective way to bring about commendable behavior based on strong inner values, instead of superficially "good" behavior based only on fear.


http://www.naturalchild.org/jan_hunt/tenreasons.html


GOD IS FIRST
 
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Reply Wed 6 Jan, 2010 04:26 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
What kind of dignity did she have accusing her teachers of loosinf her papers and lieing to people for attention. I give her all the love and attention, but the fact that her mother does't is why she looks for negative attention.
DrewDad
 
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Reply Wed 6 Jan, 2010 04:27 pm
@GOD IS FIRST,
GOD IS FIRST wrote:
This is just the most horrable thing that has happened.

What is the most horrible thing? Getting caught?

Having CPS called on you isn't a punishment; it's a consequence.
GOD IS FIRST
 
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Reply Wed 6 Jan, 2010 04:27 pm
@boomerang,
Not in Texas
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Green Witch
 
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Reply Wed 6 Jan, 2010 04:28 pm
Children learn to problem solve from their parents. You're lucky she contacted people to referee the situation instead of finding someone bigger than you to beat you up. Kids who are physically hit as children often grow up to abuse their elderly parents. It's what they have learned. It's what violence teaches them. Don't like a person's behavior, beat it out of them.

I've taught reading to young criminals. Every single one them was hit by their parent(s). I've never met a young incarcerated person who was raised by parents who reasoned with them intelligently instead of physically attacking them when they did something the parent didn't like. Do you really think the more successful people in our society were smacked around by their parents? If you compared kids in jail to kids in college you would find the college kids more likely had parents who took the time to reason intelligently with them and used non-violent forms discipline and encourgagmentt. Hitting kids just make them feel worthless, unloved and powerless. How would it make you feel if I smacked the **** out of you? How does beating someone down help them become better citizens?
djjd62
 
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Reply Wed 6 Jan, 2010 04:29 pm
@DrewDad,
DrewDad wrote:

Having CPS called on you isn't a punishment; it's a consequence.


oh no you di'int Very Happy
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GOD IS FIRST
 
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Reply Wed 6 Jan, 2010 04:30 pm
@chai2,
Well once you have exhausted all other resources and they did not work sometimes kids need a reality check. Regardless if you think spanking with a belt three times is wrong do really thing I should lose my kids over it.
GOD IS FIRST
 
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Reply Wed 6 Jan, 2010 04:31 pm
@DrewDad,
So let them go into a system to be melested her is being caught and punished then?
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Green Witch
 
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Reply Wed 6 Jan, 2010 04:31 pm
@GOD IS FIRST,
You should not have you kids taken away, but you should be required to take parenting classes so you can learn better ways of dealing with their behavior and controlling your own temper.
dyslexia
 
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Reply Wed 6 Jan, 2010 04:33 pm
hitting anyone of any age with a belt is assault, it is never parenting.
I am a retired child protection worker.
GOD IS FIRST
 
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Reply Wed 6 Jan, 2010 04:35 pm
@Green Witch,
Three spankings on the bottom is not beatting. Do yall understand I did not leave a mark. Would you rather I scream and holler and lock her in her room. I don't know why I am even defending my self to strangers. Thank you all for your comments and I just hope you are never falsly accused her hurtting you child. Untill you walk in someones shoes you should not jusdge, but for now we are still a free country so good for yall enjoy while you can.
GOD IS FIRST
 
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Reply Wed 6 Jan, 2010 04:37 pm
@Green Witch,
I did not spank her in anger and when we faught for custody we went to parenting classes. I tried all of that and she just got worse. I spanked her three times and now she is doing great. Every situation is different.
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AbbieMcKenley
 
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Reply Wed 6 Jan, 2010 04:39 pm
@GOD IS FIRST,
As she lied for so long about her grades, clearly she was worried about how you might react, i don't want to judge but perhaps you're not as involved as you could be in her school work, so if she knew that the grade she gets is acceptable, as long as she trys to improve it perhaps she wouldn't have felt it nessisary to lie?


Quote:
Some teens develop the habit of telling half-truths or exaggerating about things that seem completely irrelevant or unnecessary. They might think it will get them what they want, or get them out of a sticky situation. Like many adults, kids can also be less than honest at times because they think the truth isn’t interesting enough. They may lie as a way to get attention, to make themselves seem more powerful or attractive to others, to get sympathy or support, or because they lack problem-solving skills.


Quote:
Kids often don’t understand how hurtful exagerations and lying can be. Still, you need to remind them that not knowing doesn’t make it okay. Start a discussion with your child about honesty and dishonesty, and why they choose to exagerate or lie. And remember, focus on the problem your child is trying to solve instead of on the morality of lying. You may not be able to stop your teen from creating those every day exagerations and lies, but you can send the message that there are other options available.


Perhaps she was just angry, i'm sure she didn't expect this.
If everything you've said here is true, then heck, you've not got much to worry about except perhaps, communication in your family.

Just take it as an experience, you gotta learn how life works somehow.
And perhaps, ditch the belt.
Confused
GOD IS FIRST
 
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Reply Wed 6 Jan, 2010 04:40 pm
@dyslexia,
Her lying and hiding things and blaming other people for her actions is just a stepping stone to robbing and stealing.
GOD IS FIRST
 
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Reply Wed 6 Jan, 2010 04:44 pm
@AbbieMcKenley,
The first 6 weeks of school I was very involved and she did awsome. SHe is in 7th grade now so for the next six weeks I was giving her a chance to take some responsiblity for her self and she lied not out of ear but out of not wanting to deal with the issue. She wanted to do nothing now and deal with the trouble later. She has always been like this. I was just trying to show her I trusted her. That did not work ourt so well. I am involved again and she is doing great now. She is about to be 13. People our not going to hold your hand through life to make sure you do what you are supposed.
AbbieMcKenley
 
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Reply Wed 6 Jan, 2010 04:46 pm
@GOD IS FIRST,
Yeah well, hold her hand through high school. High school is tough to go through without support.
Things change to quickly to take it for granted, she can't cope yet, clearly.
Like i said, an experience.
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