@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:Is that how you got this belief in NDE's?
No. I had already read
Life After Life by Raymond Moody, M.D.
and had the author for a personal friend many years b4 that,
in addition to reading other literature concerning the subject.
I read my first account of a Near Death Experience in the Readers' Digest in 1956.
farmerman wrote:Since you were not "sufficiently" dead to obviate you resuscitation,
you really are not in a position to argue in favor of PDE's
Not on that basis, but over a period of a few years,
I 'd already had several out-of-body-experiences which
were fun
(most of them on-the-job in court) just not longlasting enuf.
Death of the human body results from an out-of-body-experience.
(Its like the driver gets out of his vehicle,
so he does not impel the vehicle to further progress.)
My dead friend, Neil, died 12 times within an hour
in the Veterans' Hospital of Las Vegas. I confirmed that fact
with the floor nurse, when I called him in the hospital from NY.
He also knew about Near Death Experiences
and out-of-body-experiences; he 'd read of them n we 'd discussed them.
I was his landlord for several years.
I went to visit him in Las Vegas after he was restored to life.
He said: "I feel cheated" because all he remembered was awakening.
The same is true of myself; I only remembered awakening, qua both
of my surgical operations. I offered to spring for a memorial service
for him, on condition that
he deliver the eulogy,
since he knew his own life better than I did. He didn 't go for that.
He led an uncommonly adventurous life & he was a superb raconteur.
Farmer,
It has saddened me that I accidentally caused u emotional discomfort.
I believed (in error) that u were in a state-of-mind,
after your recent unforeseen encounter with Nature 's gift,
that your pain was only somatic, in your ribs or facial scratches.
I did not know that u had residual nightmares about it.
I never woud have intentionally aggravated any mental distress.
Putting me on Ignore was
perfectly OK with me,
and I have not borne u even the slightest ill will
for that for any fraction of a nanosecond, however small.
I have banished a hellish group of incorrigibly obscene, causticly iniquitous
rascals to the nether regions, in whose bowels thay shall remain in oblivion,
thus exalting my serenity, equanimity & tranquility,
but I looked and look upon u as a friend and woud not have
knowingly exacerbated your suffering.
I addressed your situation in the spirit of an incident
that befell me in the 1990s: I have a great abundance
of privacy in my backyard. In the heat of a summer 's nite,
I ventured out to my hammuck, strung between 2 of my
feral maple trees about 4 or 5 feet high, drunk n naked.
The net-like fabric had deformed, stretched to form a concavity,
a dip of maybe 14 inches in the center. In this condition, in that hammuck,
I contracted painful charliehorse cramps in my calf muscles bilaterally.
I knew that the ony physical way that I coud
POSSIBLY
get out of that hammuck was to hurl myself over the side,
knowing that I 'd fall face down onto my cement patio below.
I
HAD to do it; so I did it.
I ended up face down bleeding on my patio with the pain
of the fall and the pain of both cramps; it took me 20 minutes
to stop laffing
hysterically at my misfortune, as I lay face down
on my cement. (It still makes me laff to remember it.)
I had thawt mistakenly, that u looked upon your incident
in a more jovial spirit and I had no knowledge of nightmares.
I am very sincerely sorry for worsening your affliction.
David
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