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This is why it's not nice to the community to use tags as graffiti

 
 
High Seas
 
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Reply Tue 15 Dec, 2009 04:06 pm
@dyslexia,
dyslexia wrote:

well Helen aka Toyko Rose, it was probably me that handed you that tag. It just seems like something I would do.

The tag was there already when I first came across the thread - started by someone named DarDarDit - and besides YOU wouldn't do such a thing Smile
High Seas
 
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Reply Tue 15 Dec, 2009 04:15 pm
@High Seas,
These are all the tags that were there yesterday when I noticed the thread - nothing seems to have been added since:
Quote:
Discussion by dardardit on 12/14/09
Tags: Doofus, Vote Down, Bigoted Jerk, Propaganda Artist, Modern Day Tokyo Rose
http://able2know.org/topic/139193-1

.... PS to Dys - neither you nor Cycl would use the term "doofus" to begin with!
High Seas
 
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Reply Tue 15 Dec, 2009 04:42 pm
@Robert Gentel,
Robert Gentel wrote:

I've explained that the tags are intended to be a means to save threads that you find relevant, as well as a means of creating new forums and organizing topics .....Thing is, it won't be anonymous forever and eventually topics will be able to display who tagged it and tags are increasingly going to be a way that members get to determine the fate of the community.

Just found my answer to the idiot-tag authorship.... thanks.
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 15 Dec, 2009 04:44 pm
@High Seas,
High Seas wrote:

Robert Gentel wrote:

I've explained that the tags are intended to be a means to save threads that you find relevant, as well as a means of creating new forums and organizing topics .....Thing is, it won't be anonymous forever and eventually topics will be able to display who tagged it and tags are increasingly going to be a way that members get to determine the fate of the community.

Just found my answer to the idiot-tag authorship.... thanks.


Did you brute-force it?

Cycloptichorn
ossobuco
 
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Reply Tue 15 Dec, 2009 04:50 pm
@DrewDad,
This is just an impression, but when I tagged the threads in the categories that (probably) most interest me, art and food and I'm gradually working on pets and garden, plus my own threads (now there was a task) I found that the original a2k forum tags couldn't be superceded, Food and Drink stayed forever as the first tag.

I think something similar may happen with a many times posted tag such as 'politics', that it is primary and hard to get erased even if a whole bunch add other tags (not sure of course, glad to be corrected) - that it stays as the general tag for those kind of subjects once it is used.

Similarly, once in a while I've seen someone's personal id kind of tag on a thread so they can follow their own few tags - and no matter how many more appropriate subject tags I add to jostle that out of, say, fourth place in the line, it stays.

My impression back when I was doing all that beginning tagging was also that whoever started the thread, his or her tags seemed to 'win'. I don't think that stands up as an observation, now, but I remember wondering if there was some weight to the tag being from the poster of the thread. (Not that I'm against that, I might even be for it, just wondering.)

I did do one evil thing for sure. I tagged all the appropriate threads 'western breakfast' out of some kind of rampant whimsy. I could be talked into changing those. On the other hand, some day, somewhere, that may be useful to someone.
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Tue 15 Dec, 2009 04:51 pm
@High Seas,
doofus!!~!
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Tue 15 Dec, 2009 04:54 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
I think there is some magic in the works to make clear who the people are who thumb people down no matter what and somehow discount that. Or - I remember some talk by Robert about that a while ago, maybe my interpretation was wrong or that may have changed.
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Tue 15 Dec, 2009 05:11 pm
@High Seas,
I do have some posters on semi-permanent ignore. I go back to my ignore list once in a while and see if people on the list are still posting. Most are gone by the time I look back.

The tagging works well for occasionally avoiding posters who are at the edge of MY tolerance threshold. I don't want to ignore them completely, they're on threads I'm following, I don't want to thumb down a post just because I think someone's an asshole - I can just avoid them on days I don't want to see them. I find it quite effective.

~~~

As an example, I suspect your list of "pathetic" posters is diametrically opposite from mine - so I don't want to be thumbing down folks you might be willing to read, and where enough thumbs-down could put the posts below the general viewing threshold.
High Seas
 
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Reply Tue 15 Dec, 2009 05:23 pm
@ehBeth,
ehBeth wrote:
....As an example, I suspect your list of "pathetic" posters is diametrically opposite from mine - so I don't want to be thumbing down folks you might be willing to read, and where enough thumbs-down could put the posts below the general viewing threshold.
Our lists have got to be identical on subjects we both care passionately about, like animal protection or most historical subjects. At least on politics, though, Cycl and I couldn't be more diametrically opposed, so there must be at least two stalkers on the site - whoever marks down his posts can't be the same person marking down mine! It's of no importance anyway. Btw, I knew threads can fall "below viewing threshold", but didn't know this can also happen to posts - in fact I've seen posts (most recently by H2O man) marked down to minus 6 (six) and they still show on my screen.
ossobuco
 
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Reply Tue 15 Dec, 2009 05:25 pm
@High Seas,
They don't fall beyond viewing threshold to those of us who pick No Threshold, or whatever the wording for that choice is in our Preferences. No person's thumbs down but my own affects my view.
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djjd62
 
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Reply Tue 15 Dec, 2009 05:34 pm
for nothing, apart from the record, i'm sure there are posters who deem me a douche on certain subjects, but i've never thumbed down a post (apart from reporting spam), ever, i rarely thumb them up, i don't even think about the thumbs to be honest and i don't think i've ever used a tag that wasn't appropriate to the thread

if i'm going to be a douche i'm gonna do it openly
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 15 Dec, 2009 06:24 pm
I doubt that I have ever used a tag;
or even considered doing so.





David
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msolga
 
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Reply Tue 15 Dec, 2009 07:49 pm
@Robert Gentel,
Quote:
In a way, the graffiti tagging is an unintended consequence of not displaying the real popularity of a thread.

Robert wrote
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I disagree, but that is eventually changing anyway. The threads will be ranked by a "Bayesian rating" and will be displayed as-is

Not being familiar with this term Bayesian rating, I did a bit of Googling:

http://www.kobrascorner.com/tech/weighted-bayesian.php

Not asking you to go into much detail about the proposed changes at this stage, Robert. But I'm interested in how you think how this "as-is" rating system might actually work. How would it be different to the current rating system?



Robert Gentel
 
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Reply Tue 15 Dec, 2009 08:09 pm
@msolga,
msolga wrote:
Not asking you to go into much detail about the proposed changes at this stage, Robert. But I'm interested in how you think how this "as-is" rating system might actually work. How would it be different to the current rating system?


It would mean threads would, in effect, be ranked from something like 1.0 to 9.7. Right now, we hide the score below a floor of 0. But this algorithm and the way it is displayed is less harsh and that is what I meant about displaying it "as is". We'd display the real rating we have for the topics because they would be moderated by the weighed ratings system.

The algorithm is quite fair, and handles outliers better. Here's a super-simplified version of how it works:

1) It is comparable to a percentage. E.g. it is an improvement on the 9/10 votes = 9.0 rating system but it is this at it's core.
2) The problem with a percentage system is that if you have something with 99 positive votes out of 100 versus one with 1 positive vote the one with one vote wins. This algorithm weighs the ranking for this factor. The more votes you have, the more reliable the ranking is, so this algorithm would take that 1 positive vote and would not give it a 10.0 rating but something closer to the average until it gains more votes.

In short, it's a 1-10 ratings system that is similar to a percentage system but that takes into consideration the notion that the more ratings an item has the more reliable the ratings (as an average) are.
Robert Gentel
 
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Reply Tue 15 Dec, 2009 08:11 pm
@George,
That's way cool, thanks! Now they are both gone from home page, and when cache (server side) clears it won't be on grids either.

I didn't begin to expect that to work so well, thank you!
George
 
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Reply Tue 15 Dec, 2009 08:12 pm
@Robert Gentel,
You're welcome. It's good time of year to clean house.
Rockhead
 
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Reply Tue 15 Dec, 2009 08:17 pm
@George,
I did this (cleaned out my tags) about a month ago, not really to be helpful, just cuz.

the ones that are still there will stay awhile longer.

including doofus.
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msolga
 
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Reply Tue 15 Dec, 2009 08:18 pm
@Robert Gentel,
Right. I get it. (I think! Smile )

I often think it's a shame that the number of A2Kers who've actually read a thread but haven't posted (& haven't done the thumbs up/thumbs down thing) can't be factored into a thread rating. But that's just me thinking out loud. No way suggesting you to do anything about this, mind!
djjd62
 
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Reply Tue 15 Dec, 2009 08:23 pm
i went and checked my tags, no problems that i can see, i have about 5 1/4 pages of threads under my tags, and they're almost all my topics, i guess i was right about my not tagging much
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tsarstepan
 
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Reply Tue 15 Dec, 2009 08:27 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Cycloptichorn,
Don't give High Seas too much credit. It doesn't take that much detective work to ferret out that I was the guilty culprit in tagging the infamous Modern Day Tokyo Rose which references to the the infamous radio propagandist of the World War II, utilized to disparage and humiliate the US troops deployed over to the Pacific Campain during the war.
http://historymatters.gmu.edu/d/5140/
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“Hello, You Fighting Orphans”: “Tokyo Rose” Woos U.S. Sailors and Marines

During World War II, a dozen female broadcasters, collectively dubbed “Tokyo Rose” by U.S. troops, provided a diversion from the horrors of war. Set up by the Japanese military and using the powerful signal of Radio Tokyo, these Tokyo Roses were on the air nightly, broadcasting English-language shows designed to make American soldiers and sailors nostalgic and homesick. One such Tokyo Rose, U.S. citizen Iva Ikuki Toguri D’Aquino, described her August 14, 1944, broadcast as “sweet propaganda” and played tunes whose titles (for example, “My Resistance Is Low”) were designed to demoralize her listeners. Although some soldiers and sailors may have felt the occasional twinge of homesickness while listening to Tokyo Rose’s broadcasts, most simply ignored the propaganda and insults while hoping to hear their favorite popular


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