Reply Mon 14 Dec, 2009 03:58 pm
While I do find a number of reasons to oppose the current health care reform bill; Sen Joe Lieberman's 'really sick people will use it which will drive up the cost' is simply bizarre.
 
eoe
 
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Reply Mon 14 Dec, 2009 04:08 pm
@dyslexia,
dyslexia wrote:

While I do find a number of reasons to oppose the current health care reform bill; Sen Joe Lieberman's 'really sick people will use it which will drive up the cost' is simply bizarre.


Bizarre or just stupid? Or perhaps it's bizarre BECAUSE it's so stupid?
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snood
 
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Reply Mon 14 Dec, 2009 04:18 pm
I really think Lieberman is driven by two things:
his desire to lord it over the Dems by rubbing their faces in the fact that they need his vote, and
keeping in favor with the big money insurance company interests in his home state.
I don't think those motivators are influenced much by common sense, morals or ethics.
dyslexia
 
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Reply Mon 14 Dec, 2009 04:22 pm
@snood,
snood wrote:

I really think Lieberman is driven by two things:
his desire to lord it over the Dems by rubbing their faces in the fact that they need his vote, and
keeping in favor with the big money insurance company interests in his home state.
I don't think those motivators are influenced much by common sense, morals or ethics.
yeah ok, so where is Harry Reid?
snood
 
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Reply Tue 15 Dec, 2009 06:12 am
@dyslexia,
I think Reid's defect is more in the way of spinelessness than amorality.
rabel22
 
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Reply Tue 15 Dec, 2009 11:09 am
@snood,
Spinelessness describes the democratic party perfectly. Stupidity describes the republicans.
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Tue 15 Dec, 2009 11:15 am
please tell me where you got that quote dys... it goes in the WTF hall of fame for sure....
tsarstepan
 
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Reply Tue 15 Dec, 2009 11:19 am
@dyslexia,
dyslexia wrote:

snood wrote:

I really think Lieberman is driven by two things:
his desire to lord it over the Dems by rubbing their faces in the fact that they need his vote, and
keeping in favor with the big money insurance company interests in his home state.
I don't think those motivators are influenced much by common sense, morals or ethics.
yeah ok, so where is Harry Reid?

Very good question!
djjd62
 
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Reply Tue 15 Dec, 2009 11:26 am
@tsarstepan,
oh man, i just found waldo, now i gotta start looking for this harry reid guy
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Tue 15 Dec, 2009 09:55 pm
@Bi-Polar Bear,
Bi-Polar Bear wrote:

please tell me where you got that quote dys... it goes in the WTF hall of fame for sure....


I doubt his was a quote, but rather his interpretation.

But I could be wrong.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Tue 15 Dec, 2009 09:56 pm
@dyslexia,
dyslexia wrote:

While I do find a number of reasons to oppose the current health care reform bill; Sen Joe Lieberman's 'really sick people will use it which will drive up the cost' is simply bizarre.


Truly interested: What are the reasons you oppose the current health care reform bill?
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Wed 16 Dec, 2009 09:50 am
@Bi-Polar Bear,
Bi-Polar Bear wrote:

please tell me where you got that quote dys... it goes in the WTF hall of fame for sure....
a clip played on MSNBC yesterday morning.
Advocate
 
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Reply Wed 16 Dec, 2009 03:46 pm
Lieberman is known as Sen. Aetna. There are 22,000 health insurance company employees in CT. Further, he has received millions in donations from the companies.
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Wed 16 Dec, 2009 10:38 pm
@Advocate,
Advocate wrote:

Lieberman is known as Sen. Aetna. There are 22,000 health insurance company employees in CT. Further, he has received millions in donations from the companies.


And do you think those 22,000 health insurance employees would not be unhappy if their employers went out of business. Do they not deserve to have their interests represented or are you of the opinion that they do not because they have aligned themselves with Corporate Evil?

As for receiving "millions" in donations, where is your proof?

Easy to make such a charge, but can you support it? Shouldn't be that difficult, if it is true.

Presumably the senators who you do trust and revere have never taken corporate contributions: Which ones are they?

Chris Dodd?
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Wed 16 Dec, 2009 10:43 pm
@dyslexia,
dyslexia wrote:

Bi-Polar Bear wrote:

please tell me where you got that quote dys... it goes in the WTF hall of fame for sure....
a clip played on MSNBC yesterday morning.


Nothing wrong with referencing something you read or heard, but cannot specifically cite.

However, what you provided was not a quote, and therefore it is reasonable for us to assume that your personal opinions on the topic and Lieberman may have colored your account.

But perhaps Bipo's WTF Hall of Fame doesn't have strict rules on quotes.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Thu 17 Dec, 2009 12:38 am
Quote:
I have decided to start a rumor that it all goes back to the 2004 presidential race, when Lieberman not only failed to win any primaries, but was also bitten by either a rabid muskrat or a vampire disguised as a moose.

Other than that, my favorite explanation comes from Jonathan Chait of The New Republic, who theorized that Lieberman was able to go from Guy Who Wants to Expand Medicare to Guy Who Would Rather Kill Health Care Than Expand Medicare because he “isn’t actually all that smart.”

It’s certainly easier to leap from one position to its total opposite if you never understood your original stance in the first place, and I am thinking Chait’s theory could get some traction. “When I sat next to him in the State Senate, he always surprised me by how little he’d learned about the bill at the time of the vote,” said Bill Curry, a former Connecticut comptroller and Democratic gubernatorial nominee.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/17/opinion/17collins.html

Sounds right....
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Thu 17 Dec, 2009 09:36 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
It's absolutely true that my personal opinions on the topic and Lieberman may have colored my account. I'm delighted to know Finn that your personal opinions don't colour your accounts of anything. That's quite an accomplishment. I also have personal opinions of Obama's surge in afghanistan, the economy. joblessness, the environment, racial discrimination, the failure of health care in the USA, corruption in our government, yes Finn I have numerous personal opinions on many topics.
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Wed 23 Dec, 2009 02:30 pm
@dyslexia,
dyslexia wrote:

It's absolutely true that my personal opinions on the topic and Lieberman may have colored my account. I'm delighted to know Finn that your personal opinions don't colour your accounts of anything. That's quite an accomplishment. I also have personal opinions of Obama's surge in afghanistan, the economy. joblessness, the environment, racial discrimination, the failure of health care in the USA, corruption in our government, yes Finn I have numerous personal opinions on many topics.


Your sarcasm, as usual, is misplaced.

Apparently you don't know the difference between a quote and recounting what you remember hearing someone say.
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Advocate
 
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Reply Wed 23 Dec, 2009 03:09 pm
I recently read a column about how Lieberman is actually very dumb. He is well known to show up on the floor not knowing the details of the legislation up for a vote. I think this explains his inconsistencies in the health-care reform debate.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Wed 23 Dec, 2009 04:11 pm

And you believed it.

I read the same column, but can't recall the author. I think it was in the New Republic.

A pretty childish screed it seemed to me.
 

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