# = a logical fallacy or an intellectual error or shorthand for "Number" as in "Day #2"
"Will have reasons/causes, they don't come out of the blue."
FREE WILL IS SPONTANEOUS
Free will can be spontaneous. As someone else stated here, you can choose to do nothing if you so wish, or later act. Think of Roman Emperor capriciously deciding who dies & lives in gladiatorial games.
Would you try removing "caprice" from the dictionary as it is a false concept?
[# This would be Appeal to Authority by myself, but my argument doesn't rest on it, and l'm genuinely interested in if you would dare have it struck from the language).
FREE WILL CAN BE BROKEN DOWN FOREVER (as an amateur l call this "Infinitely Reducible" whether it's a correct label or not):
Also, free will is infinitely reducible, whereas mere Cause vs. Effect is not.
I saw man steal candy from baby. I did nothing.
Next day, l saw man steal candy from baby. Out of guilt for doing nothing last time, l punched the man.
BUT: It is actually non sequitur that I did nothing yesterday leads to I did something today, when man steals from baby again.
REASON: Why do l act today? Answer: man is stealing from baby.
Why did l not act yesterday? Answer: didn't want to make a scene.
Why make a scene today? Answer: because l've had enough.
Why have you had enough? Answer: Errr ... my free will kinda says so. [This itself makes free will reducible, but in opposition to Cause + Effect, hence even by being reducible, Free Will thus trumps Cause + Effect, which are themselves reducible, because Free Will is the antithesis of Cause + Effect]
You mean your feelings have changed? Answer: yes, only so much l can take of this
What sets the limit to how much you can take of this? Answer: Mommy / Daddy issues
Can you be more precise? Answer: Yes [... autobiography follows ...]
Which of course raises a cascade of other questions
THUS it reduces ad infinitum. Proof: I've never seen an end to it in my entire life when l've questioned a phenomena and questioned the response etc. - it just goes on forever.
Objection: So, any phenomenon can have infinite causation. No need for free will.
Answer: OK but then in the cause of human free will, you've made the argument that it is merely causation, unfalsifiable, because you've invoked infinity, something unknowable, because any causation could be infinite.
Objection: You are only talking about a set chain of events.
Answer: Ok in that case, Free Will has trumped that. Also in what follows:
FREE WILL IS AN ART FORM, HENCE TIMING 1 MOMENT OUT OF INFINITE POSSIBILITIES:
And then, of course there is the timing of when to punch the man stealing from baby. The exact timing. It's an art form, l don't believe you strike when you get a visual lock on a certain facial bone and when the man is at just the right angle. Even then you might hesitate, or be premature. It's an art form.
Speaking of which: are works of art = Cause + Effect? All those art museums? Would it be possible to ever predict the next work of art to emerge? Predict the next art museum's contents? Answer: No. # Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof, so please bring the proof.
FREE WILL JUST *IS*, NOT AS A LOGICALLY FALLACIOUS CIRCULAR ARGUMENT, IT GENUINELY JUST EXISTS, IT JUST *IS* (as an amateur, l call this Irreducible, in competition with Causation, which also is self contained):
"As for the randomness argument that doesn't grant you any more free willing since random implies you were not the cause of an X given action you just tossed a coin."
# False dichotomy. I never spoke of randomness as the alternative to Causation.
# Red herring / bait + switch: I never said Free Will = randomness, the position you then destroy without any reason to link it to my reply in the first place!
The opposite of Free Will = Causation
ALSO another opposite is Randomness, dead, mindless, bodiless, randomness.
Even if you punch man stealing from baby on Day #2, you might again do nothing on Day #3 when it happens again. Just by whim. Like Roman Emperor deciding by whim who lives / dies.
That is pseudo-random & the essence of Free Will: Sponteneity. Willed Randomness.
(Once again, you see how Free Will is reduced to Freely Willed Randomness, i.e. it is a circular definition, it just is, it is irreducible, in competition with Causation which too is irreducible i.e. it just is, no further explanation, Free Will just is, and sequence A->B->C just is, it's complete within itself. Also note how l showed Fee Will to be infinitely reducible in that you can break down reasoning ad infinitum - again, setting it apart from a set chain of Causation).
I wonder if there is genuinely any un-willed Randomness (true Chaos)? It could just be unknown science. Like, the electron cloud of an atom could actually be governed by laws.
But as for Free Will, I have now demonstrated that it is outside of Causation. Thank you.
OTHER STUFF YOU WROTE:
"More profoundly microbiologists recently have been looking at Humans as "superorganisms" on which 99% of the DNA you can find in yourself is from bacteria.You come to be aware of your NEEDS and call them choices but that is just semantics at work... ""
All you are saying is: "Look, we have DNA" (this is not news)
and "that DNA came from bacteria" (this is really iffy)
and "therefore we cannot have Free Will" (# This is a Non Sequitur)