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Tiger Woods in Car Accident

 
 
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 5 Dec, 2009 01:21 pm
@High Seas,
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I completely fail to see what's wrong with choosing someone you think is better for you - what other criterion is there?!


Loyalty to the black people is supposed to over ride personal best interests. It is also supposed to over ride getting help in dealing with black problems, as we have seen over and over again blacks getting reamed by other blacks of talking about black problems outside of an exclusively black audience.

The tribe MUST come first according to modern black ideology. The irony is that this foolishness partly accounts for the failure of blacks to progress, their lack of willingness to assimilate hurts them in the long run, and also exposes them to be racists.
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maporsche
 
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Reply Sat 5 Dec, 2009 01:41 pm
I wonder if any of the black A2K members could come in here and share their perspectives on Woods and his dating of white women.

I'm curious to know their perspectives.
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spendius
 
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Reply Sat 5 Dec, 2009 02:40 pm
@High Seas,
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I completely fail to see what's wrong with choosing someone you think is better for you - what other criterion is there?!


Some men choose the least worst. I would guess some women do too.

Molly Bloom has the words "It might as well be him as anybody" or something lke that.

I can honestly say that this "white women" aspect had never entered my head until I read it here. With Tiger's job he must have socialised in a white world and I imagine that it was his fame and fortune rather than him being black that interested the ladies. Juvenal stresses the flexibility of women.

Possibly white women are more pagan than black women. Maybe he saw a lot of Gothic movies in his youth.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 5 Dec, 2009 03:19 pm
@spendius,
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Possibly white women are more pagan than black women. Maybe he saw a lot of Gothic movies in his youth.


You miss that not only has he little use for Black women, he has little for blacks in General. He refuses to say that he is black. Micheal Jackson did the same thing for years until he got into trouble if memory serves.

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And then Tiger Woods said he wasn't actually "black" at all -- he was "Cablinasian."

Woods made his remarks on "Oprah," when he was asked if it bothered him to be called an African-American. "It does," he said. "Growing up, I came up with this name: I'm a 'Cablinasian.'" As in Caucasian-black-Indian-Asian. Woods has a black father (or to be precise, if I am interpreting Woods' reported ancestry correctly, a half-black, one-quarter American Indian, one-quarter white father) and a Thai mother (or, with the same caveat, a half-Thai, half-Chinese mother). "I'm just who I am," Woods told Oprah Winfrey, "whoever you see in front of you."

But just "who I am" remained contested ground. According to Time magazine, Woods' coming out as a Cablinasian caused "a mini-racial firestorm ... Woods' remarks infuriated many African Americans who ... see him as a traitor ... Some blacks saw Woods' assertion of a multiracial identity as a sellout that could touch off an epidemic of 'passing.'" Light-skinned Colin Powell, responding to Woods' comments, "In America, which I love from the depths of my heart and soul, when you look like me, you're black."

Adding fuel to the fire stirred up by Woods' comments are their political implications. Congress is considering adding a multiracial category to the 2000 census, and supporters of the controversial new category immediately seized upon Woods' statement as evidence that the old categories -- black, white, Asian and Pacific Islander, native American and "other" -- are inadequate. Civil rights groups like the NAACP, who are bitterly opposed to adding the multiracial category because they fear it will lead to a loss of black political and economic clout, are not likely to enjoy the spectacle of Woods becoming a poster child for multiracialism.

http://www.salon.com/april97/tiger970430.html

this quote also supports my claim that tribe comes first for blacks of good standing in the tribe, thus the objection to the census "multiracial" option.
aidan
 
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Reply Sat 5 Dec, 2009 03:25 pm
@hawkeye10,
What are you talking about?! He invented a new term to embrace ALL the aspects of his geneology - 'Caublaisan'. Why should he have to identify with one race rather than another? Why should he have to raise one ethnitcity over another? And why should he have to explain what or who he prefers because his skin is brown? That's ******* racism!
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 5 Dec, 2009 03:34 pm
@aidan,
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That's ******* racism!

It is, and the Blacks who feel that Tiger and Obama have disrespected them by not sufficiantly embracing their blackness, are racists.

Tiger was adopted by the Black tribe in spite of his claim that he is not black, negative reaction to Tiger banging white women exclusively speaks to the tribe not taking him at his word, and thus being disillusioned.
aidan
 
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Reply Sat 5 Dec, 2009 03:45 pm
@hawkeye10,
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It is, and the Blacks who feel that Tiger and Obama have disrespected them by not sufficiantly embracing their blackness, are racists.

Maybe, but they've had centuries of example and reinforcement to convince them to prefer what some seem to prefer.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 5 Dec, 2009 03:48 pm
@aidan,
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Maybe, but they've had centuries of example and reinforcement to convince them to prefer what some of them sem to prefer what they may prefer.


I never would have pegged you as an apologist for the victim culture.
aidan
 
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Reply Sat 5 Dec, 2009 03:58 pm
@hawkeye10,
I'm not an apologist. I just know the facts and reality. People prefer what they prefer. Why should they have to explain or apologize for it?
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 5 Dec, 2009 04:13 pm
@aidan,
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I'm not an apologist. I just know the facts and reality. People prefer what they prefer.


That is not what you said, you said that blacks are controlled by their history. Those who are abused and after the abuse stops are controlled by the reverberation of the abuse (trauma) are victims. Those who have recovered do what they want, are no longer under control of the trauma.

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Why should they have to explain or apologize for it


Excellent question to put to all of the blacks who object to black men of fame and/or wealth going after white women. My original point was that Tigers brand is now weaker with Blacks than it was a few weeks ago, I personally have no problem with him liking white, nor with white women who like black guys. I am talking about what the reaction is, not disapproving of the action.
aidan
 
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Reply Sat 5 Dec, 2009 04:54 pm
@hawkeye10,
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That is not what you said, you said that blacks are controlled by their history.

Did I say that (or is that how you interpreted what I said)? Well then I'll most definitely change it to this:
People- all people- are influenced by history. Some discard that history and live what they are and some become that history and live what they think they have to be.
But the fact that Tiger Woods seems to like fair skin is and can be viewed as individual to Tiger Woods. After all - that's what he is - first and foremost - an individual with individual tastes and preferences.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 5 Dec, 2009 05:12 pm
@aidan,
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People- all people- are influenced by history


By their history yes. However, you are arguing that he is influenced by the history of the black tribe, which is a myth spun by the tribe, a tribe that Tiger does not even claim membership too. Do you really think that Tiger gives a tinkers damn about the history of the black people? I think he cares about golf, sex, money, and family in that order, with out much time to care about anything else. He certainly has had almost no chance to experience the racism that blacks complain about, he has been in a cocoon all of his life. It makes sense to me that he does not identify with all of the Victimology of the Black culture, that he would rather play golf and **** hot women.

We agree that Tiger wants what Tiger wants, and that this is is own business mostly.
aidan
 
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Reply Sat 5 Dec, 2009 05:20 pm
@hawkeye10,
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It makes sense to me that he does not identify with all of the Victimology of the Black culture, that he would rather play golf and **** hot women.


Laughing Laughing Laughing Yeah, well I think that mindset trandscends race - what men don't want to **** hot women? And tell me - can you not think of any hot black women? I'll leave that to your own imagination...


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Do you really think that Tiger gives a tinkers damn about the history of the black people? I think he cares about golf, sex, money, and family in that order, with out much time to care about anything else. He certainly has had almost no chance to experience the racism that blacks complain about, he has been in a cocoon all of his life.

He's a hybrid - that's for sure. But I don't think for a moment his road has been a particularly easy one. Still and all - there's no way I can call him a victim. But race aside - if he saw Elin and said, 'Damn, she's beautiful and I love her blonde hair and blue eyes', I don't call that racist - just like if a white man saw Salma Hayak or Tyra Banks and said, 'Damn she's beautiful and I love her dark hair and dark eyes and caramel skin', I don't call that racist either - I call that individual preference.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 5 Dec, 2009 05:28 pm
@aidan,
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But I don't think for a moment his road has been a particularly easy one. Still and all - there's no way I can call him a victim. But race aside - if he saw Elin and said, 'Damn, she's beautiful and I love her blonde hair and blue eyes', I don't call that racist - just like if a white man saw Salma Hayak or Tyra Banks and said, 'Damn she's beautiful and I love her dark hair and dark eyes and caramel skin', I don't call that racist either - I call that individual preference.


I agree, and your history of the tribe argument could come into play if we were to look at why so many wealthy/famous black men mate with uber white women, usually ones that are very hot by white standards. However, other explanations are possible, for instance wanting what one has been told that they cant have. Black men often have been brought up by mothers and grandmothers (with few men around) who beat it into their heads that choosing a white woman is a betrayal of their race, this might have something to do with creating the appetite for white.
aidan
 
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Reply Sat 5 Dec, 2009 05:35 pm
@hawkeye10,
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However, other explanations are possible, for instance wanting what one has been told that they cant have. Black men often have been brought up by mothers and grandmothers (with few men around) who beat it into their heads that choosing a white woman is a betrayal of their race, this might have something to do with creating the appetite for white.

I guess I don't disagree with that totally - except I think it has less to do with their mothers and grandmothers saying it than it has to do with the white race in general (in the US at least) telling them - 'You are less than because your skin is brown and you can't have or even hope to touch the cream of the crop.'

It's only natural if you think about it - if someone tells you you can't have something - that's what a lot of people decide they want and will show everyone that's what they're going to have.
I know that's how my mind works - and I'm sure that's how other people think too-regardless of their race or circumstances.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 5 Dec, 2009 05:41 pm
@aidan,
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except I think it has less to do with their mothers and grandmothers saying it than it has to do with the white race in general (in the US at least) telling them - 'You are less than because your skin is brown and you can't have or even hope to touch the cream of the crop


Perhaps, I have heard claim of that kind of thinking in the South for instance. It does not compute for me though, because in the swinging circles that we run in Blacks are in high demand, and we play with Blacks some what often.

Edit: though I know loads of military black guys who go overseas and are shocked at how popular they are, so maybe you are on to something.
aidan
 
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Reply Sat 5 Dec, 2009 05:51 pm
@hawkeye10,
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Perhaps, I have heard claim of that kind of thinking in the South for instance. It does not compute for me though, because in the swinging circles that we run in Blacks are in high demand, and we play with Blacks some what often.
Laughing Laughing
Oh, okay....as long as it's equal opportunity swinging - I don't have an issue Laughing Laughing
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spendius
 
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Reply Sat 5 Dec, 2009 05:58 pm
Fascinating. I feel like Sigmund Freud sat next to the couch on which the USA is lying.
aidan
 
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Reply Sat 5 Dec, 2009 06:02 pm
@spendius,
Yeah - that's right - Hawkeye and I are representative of all of the US of A!!!

Put David in there and you'd have a pretty damn interesting American case study going....
Laughing Laughing (see how I can laugh at myself - that's because I'm American, I'll have you know - I learned that on Able2know only today, as a matter of fact).

Actually - I think Freud would have loved us.
spendius
 
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Reply Sat 5 Dec, 2009 06:21 pm
@aidan,
That's not quite what he said about the US.
 

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