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WHY GAY MARRIAGE, VISITING CUBA, AND POT MAY SOON BE LEGAL

 
 
Merry Andrew
 
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Reply Mon 2 Nov, 2009 06:21 pm
@JTT,
You truly are an ignorant and arrogant piece of work, aren't you, JTT?

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UN Vote Condemns US Blockade 187-3
The U.N. General Assembly on Wednesday overwhelmingly condemned the 47-year U.S. trade embargo on Cuba, an annual ritual that serves to highlight global opposition to America's hard-line policy toward the communist island, but which has done little to change Washington's stance, ...


What in the name of Fulgencio Batista does that have to do with what we were talking about?

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Let me explain something to you about the American system. Presidents can do nothing wrt war without the consent of Congress. Don't try and pass this off as some great beneficence on the part of Congress. The facts and history tell clearly what was really in mind and benefiting the Cuban people, like all the other peoples of the Americas did not figure in the American mind.


No, no, crap-for-brains, you're not going to explain anything to me. Nowhere did I try to "pass this off as some great beneficience on the part of Congress." You have a very bad habit, J, of attributing to me words, or, at least, concepts that I have never uttered. There was then, as there are now, deep rifts between the executive and legislative branches. The legislature, by passing the Platt Amendment, was doing no more and no less than thumbing its nose at the McKinley crowd. And that is all I said in my earlier post. So please stop blowing smoke.

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You embarrass yourself with this delusional nonsense, trying to explain away the indefensible. "An American promise", why am I not impressed? why would anyone be impressed?


No, I'm afraid you're the one who should be embarassed by your own non-sequitur arguments and specious logic. I don't believe I ever used such an expression as "an American promise." If I did, you're taking it out context, as it was no doubt meant ironically.

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Eminently reasonable, Merry. What part of US territory has been given over to a foreign power?


Listen to me, you supercillious, condescending son of a bitch. I am sick and tired of your tone in these threads, oh grand master and fount of all wisdom. Just cut the superiority ****. The last thing I want from you is a compliment, e.g. "eminently reasonable." You, my fine friend, wouldn't know what's reasonable if it bit you on your asterisk.

What part of US territory has been given over to a foreign power? None that I'm aware of. Why do you ask?
JTT
 
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Reply Mon 2 Nov, 2009 06:43 pm
@Merry Andrew,
"The Platt Amendment was introduced to assure that we kept the promise we had made to the Cuban people in 1898, that if we took Cuba from Spain we would grant it independence, not add it on as a US colony."

Mark Twain, you ain't, Merry, so stow the attempts at irony and wit. Just note accurately for once, instead of blowing smoke over all and sundry, that the USA has done nothing for Cuba and her people except steal her wealth and heap misery upon the citizens of that country.

Substitute 'any country' for 'Cuba' and you get the same.

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What in the name of Fulgencio Batista does that have to do with what we were talking about?


It illustrates just how badly the US is out of touch with reality. Instead of condemning this brutality, you make inane postings offering specious reasons to support a "government" that has been heaping terrorism on large numbers of people across the globe.
Merry Andrew
 
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Reply Mon 2 Nov, 2009 09:29 pm
@JTT,
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Instead of condemning this brutality, you make inane postings offering specious reasons to support a "government" that has been heaping terrorism on large numbers of people across the globe.


Instead of sticking to the subject of the thread, you accuse me of supporting "a 'government' that has been heaping terrorism on large numbers of people." First, I don't know where I said that I particularly support any government. Are you speaking of the current US government? In that case, of course I support it. To not do so would be tantamount to treason. We have in this country something called "election," J. (When I have the time and the inclination I'll explain that concept to you. You desperately need a tutorial.) Now, that said, and before you start accusing me of sayting something I didn't actually say, as is your wont, let me add that supporting my government does not mean I support all of its actions. In some cases I don't even support some of its actions. (See above re: need for tutorial on elction law).

What, specifically, is it that you think you're accusing me of, kid? I know you'll come up with something in that minuscule miind of yours, sonny.
roger
 
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Reply Mon 2 Nov, 2009 09:41 pm
@Sglass,
Sglass wrote:

I just question whether you would like it if you got there. Merry Andrew and I met a lovely Cuban lady who really changed some of my more liberal views and sympathies viz a viz Cuba. The people are still totally repressed by the communist regime. But then people visit China.

Cuba is a beautiful country and circumstances never remain the same. Change is inevitable.


You know, I think I heard something very similar from fbaezer a few years back.
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roger
 
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Reply Mon 2 Nov, 2009 11:37 pm
@Merry Andrew,
You know, Andy, you've got a real gift for language.
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Advocate
 
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Reply Tue 3 Nov, 2009 11:10 am
@JTT,
Our embargo all those years was an incredible crime. After all, it is the poor population of Cuba that suffers, not the leaders who probably live like kings. In the meantime, we had normal relations with communist China, and even welcomed its leaders to the White House. Unbelievable!
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parados
 
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Reply Tue 3 Nov, 2009 11:19 am
You guys are bickering like an old married couple. I wish they would hurry up and legalize pot. It would lead to a much more laid back conversation about Cuba.
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Tue 3 Nov, 2009 11:37 am
@Ceili,
Ceili wrote:

I want to get to Cuba before the deluge. lol
Aside from that, I second dj.


I know they need to American tourists to top up the Brits, Germans and Canajuns, but I kinda wish they didn't.
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Tue 3 Nov, 2009 11:38 am
@Sglass,
Sglass wrote:
I just question whether you would like it if you got there.


I've got friends who liked it there so much they moved there. Not an option for everyone though.
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JTT
 
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Reply Tue 3 Nov, 2009 11:42 am
@Merry Andrew,
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First, I don't know where I said that I particularly support any government. Are you speaking of the current US government? In that case, of course I support it. To not do so would be tantamount to treason.


You support it by not speaking out against the genocidal actions that the US has engaged in since its inception. You support, in Brandon9000 fashion, with your inane postings spouting nonsensical propaganda disguised as history in order to deflect from the real issue, the war crimes of the USA.

You support it by refusing to acknowledge the fact that the USA has broken international law time after time.

You support it by not demanding that the perpetrators of such evil be held to account.

And no, it would not be treason. Dissent is not treason. Pointing out the truth, again, that the USA has broken international law time after time after time is not treason.

From what I've seen you produce, it's clear that you couldn't offer a tutorial on much, save maybe waffling.
Robert Gentel
 
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Reply Tue 3 Nov, 2009 11:46 am
@engineer,
engineer wrote:
The Cubans don't ban the US now. The Cuban government loves us there in Gitmo. We pay them annual rent, they have a great excuse to rail against the US and they still have full access to the rest of the bay. It's a PR bonanza for them and brings in hard cash.


You can't be serious, the rent was fixed a century ago and is only worth about $4000 per year now. Cuba is not cashing the checks and no they do not want us there but the contract allows us to stay forever (basically as long as we want to).

It's simply an awful deal for Cubans and they certainly don't love it.
engineer
 
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Reply Tue 3 Nov, 2009 11:49 am
@Robert Gentel,
My mistake. I did my research and you are correct, it is a bad deal for them and they have asked for Gitmo back.
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JTT
 
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Reply Tue 3 Nov, 2009 12:08 pm
@Robert Gentel,
A contract signed under duress, with an in-your-pocket stoolie, is really not much of a contract. A real contract is one wherein the parties are equals. This "contract" was nothing more than the neighborhood gangster negotiating with one of the neighbors.
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Merry Andrew
 
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Reply Tue 3 Nov, 2009 12:38 pm
@JTT,
During the so-called Cold War, J, were you a Party member? Your ranting and raving certainly sounds like the tripe that the Comintern would put out at regular intervals. Not that I necesarily disagree with all of it, mind you, just the delivery and the unwarranted assumptions made.

If anyone is spouting "nonsensical propaganda" on this thread, me boyo, it's ye, not me.
JTT
 
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Reply Tue 3 Nov, 2009 12:41 pm
@Merry Andrew,
Okay, Merry, you simply want to be a good little American. I don't suppose that it'll be all that difficult for you to live with yourself.
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JTT
 
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Reply Tue 3 Nov, 2009 01:53 pm
@spendius,
Sorry, Spendi. Yes, that would be grand if Cuba could get an NFL team. That's something that every country should aspire to.
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JTT
 
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Reply Tue 3 Nov, 2009 02:00 pm
@Merry Andrew,
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Merry writes: If anyone is spouting "nonsensical propaganda" on this thread, me boyo, it's ye, not me.


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Engineer wrote:
The Cuban government loves us there in Gitmo. We pay them annual rent, they have a great excuse to rail against the US and they still have full access to the rest of the bay. It's a PR bonanza for them and brings in hard cash.


And Merry jumps on the bandwagon, repeats the old canards, the nonsensical propaganda.

[How did you manage to get your first posting deleted, Merry, you know, that little historical gem?]

Engineer had the decency, the honesty to admit his error.

Noting that the US has acted as little more than a group of gangsters, all Merry can do to cover his propaganda is blast out more.
Merry Andrew
 
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Reply Tue 3 Nov, 2009 02:18 pm
@JTT,
What posting are you talking about? I don't generally go back on threads and re-read old stuff. No idea what you're talking about.

Oh, and I'll gladly admit my error if you'll just point out which error you're talking about.
JTT
 
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Reply Tue 3 Nov, 2009 02:34 pm
@Merry Andrew,
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What posting are you talking about? I don't generally go back on threads and re-read old stuff. No idea what you're talking about.


My mistake, Merry. I voted your post down to see what would happen and I've found that this makes posts disappear. That will certainly be the last time I use that process.

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Oh, and I'll gladly admit my error if you'll just point out which error you're talking about.


This.

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As someone -- Engineer?? -- has already said, there is no good reason for us to get out of Guantanamo. In fact, it gives patriotic, nationalistic Cubans a good excuse to continue hating the Americans and demonstrating against us even if we lift the embargo.


spendius
 
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Reply Wed 4 Nov, 2009 09:57 am
The legalising of pot is also a subject on this thread.

Herodotus wrote-

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Now they have a wild hemp in their country, like flax, except that the hemp grows taller & stouter by far. It grows wild and it is sown by the Scythians, and from it the people of Thrace even make clothes. . . The Scythians, then, take the seed of this hemp, and creeping under the felt covering of the tent they throw the seed on the stones glowing with heat from the fire, and there it smoulders & makes such as steam as no vapour bath in Greece could surpass, and the steam makes the Scythians howl for joy.
 

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