JP DENIES INTERACIAL COUPLE MARRAIGE LISCENSE

@KiwiChic,

The point was that all those local tribes are related - whence the "ANZ" (+Papua-New Guinea) abbreviation.

@High Seas,

You need to start your own Thread on DNA etc etc then you can argue away to anyone willy nilly at your own leisure...I have no interrest in what you are saying and by the way Maori are not Pitch black, never have been, but I suppose you will argue that one as well.

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@KiwiChic,

High Seas has just spent 12 pages of this thread denying that an American Justice Of The Peace was wrong in refusing to marry an interracial couple.
Why waste a perfectly good thread? Now he can illustrate his knowledge of human genomes in the Polynesian native populations.

While I have you on the phone kiwi chic.

How would New Zealanders react to a government official refusing to marry an interracial couple?

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@panzade,

he would be asked to publicly resign immediately ....then probably have to move to another country for his own safety. While we do have our own small radicals down here, as a whole NZ does not like racism in any shape or form and especially if you are a NZ Maori. I feel very strong on this issue as my Mum is of Irish descent but born here and my Dad is NZ Maori, never has ever been an issue for me to even consider, until I see crap like this from other countries, which brings me back to the title of this thread to which I just cant fathom this mans reasons for his judgment..... at all.

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@KiwiChic,

Thanks chic. You know, although this forum is centered on North American posters, I find the input from other areas of the world invaluable in keeping a proper perspective. Thanks for venturing onto these pages Kiwi. It means a lot to me.

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@panzade,

Thank you Panzade I appreciate your honesty!

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@KiwiChic,

KiwiChic wrote:

...as 'Aborigine' is the common name for the Natives of Australia used today.

And that's a term that Australia's "aboriginal" people are not particularly fond of, mainly due to the fact that it doesn't distinguish between various tribes or races.

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@Wilso,

I am all for letting threads evolve, but this is ridiculous. What will it take to get you all to move your Australian chat elsewhere?

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@hawkeye10,

Excuse me Hawkeye, but who made you general manager of this thread?

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@High Seas,

High Seas wrote:

political correctness doesn't.

Agreed that political correctness doesn't matter. Being correct does matter. Consider it.

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@Wilso,

Wilso wrote:

KiwiChic wrote:

...as 'Aborigine' is the common name for the Natives of Australia used today.

And that's a term that Australia's "aboriginal" people are not particularly fond of, mainly due to the fact that it doesn't distinguish between various tribes or races.

Precisely the point here, the vast variety of tribes of Pacific Islanders - in Western New Guinea alone, up to a hundred. Thank you for pointing that out.

As to the description "pitch black", to which someone objected, it applied to that last 100% Tasmanian, Truganini. Fortunately we have many photographs of her:

http://www.tasmanianaboriginal.com.au/images/hist/Trugannie.jpg

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@ehBeth,

If I made an erroneous statement I'd certainly appreciate having it pointed out. Being correct does matter, couldn't agree with you more there.

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@joefromchicago,

joefromchicago wrote:

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High Seas wrote:
I find the "equal protection" clause as applying to race de facto meaningless since the full decoding of the human genome, and I therefore consider threats of charging the JP with breach of "civil rights" laws absurd.

Only if you consider "race" to be a scientific concept. Racists, however, are generally not overly concerned with the scientific basis of their racial views. It is fortunate, therefore, that the civil rights laws don't protect scientific classifications, they protect people.....

No causality was suggested between the fact that the JP doesn't (so far) appear to be in breach of Louisiana law and his presumed - presumed by me, on the scientific basis I've already outlined at vast length - innocence under federal law. Making a legal "civil rights" distinction among people when no scientific distinction exists surely renders any laws based on "race" unenforceable.

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@panzade,

Panzade - you haven't been reading my posts if that's your understanding of them. The question is whether the JP is in breach of any law, federal, state, or local, and so far nobody I've seen claims he was in breach of any law. Even if such a claim surfaces the JP is innocent unless proven guilty.

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@KiwiChic,

KiwiChic wrote:

he would be asked to publicly resign immediately ....then probably have to move to another country for his own safety.....

You say that New Zealand is overrun by gangs of fanatics eager to commit criminal acts like assault, battery, or worse, against anyone who disagrees with their political views?! I know the country well and that just ain't so.

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@Wilso,

to NZers Aborigines are the Native people of Australia as a general term of identity....like NZ Maori there are also many different tribes but if I went on to list every tribe it would take for ever.

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@High Seas,

Quote:

KiwiChic wrote:

he would be asked to publicly resign immediately ....then probably have to move to another country for his own safety.....

High seas wrote:
You say that New Zealand is overrun by gangs of fanatics eager to commit criminal acts like assault, battery, or worse, against anyone who disagrees with their political views?! I know the country well and that just ain't so.

Oh for gaaawds sake...first of all we would never have idiots like that in a position of importance in this country ....you do not know NZ as you say you do.....and that I find hilarious!

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@High Seas,

I've tried to read all your posts and can't fathom why you insist on twisting and turning on a point of law in Louisiana. The question isn't whether he broke a law, the question is why are agents of the government refusing to uphold Loving Vs Virginia 42 years after the Supreme Court made its unanimous decision.

The JP violated the due process and equal protection clauses in the Fourteenth Amendment.Please follow along as we read their opinion together:

Quote:

Marriage is one of the "basic civil rights of man," fundamental to our very existence and survival.... To deny this fundamental freedom on so unsupportable a basis as the racial classifications embodied in these statutes, classifications so directly subversive of the principle of equality at the heart of the Fourteenth Amendment, is surely to deprive all the State's citizens of liberty without due process of law. The Fourteenth Amendment requires that the freedom of choice to marry not be restricted by invidious racial discrimination. Under our Constitution, the freedom to marry, or not marry, a person of another race resides with the individual and cannot be infringed by the State.

From what I've read in the past you abhor the Government impinging on our personal freedoms as do many other conservatives. How can you reconcile an agent of the Government refusing to allow this couple to pursue their right to personal freedom because of his personal beliefs? Isn't that hypocritical of you?

I'm done with this thread, there's really nothing left to debate.

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@panzade,

panzade wrote:

....From what I've read in the past you abhor the Government impinging on our personal freedoms as do many other conservatives. How can you reconcile an agent of the Government refusing to allow this couple to pursue their right to personal freedom because of his personal beliefs? Isn't that hypocritical of you?

First, please stick around, I'm interested in reading your posts as well.

And no, I don't see any contradiction - the man is free to express his opinion, the local law authorizes him, but doesn't force him, to perform any marriage ceremonies, and finally I don't see that this couple's personal freedoms were in any way infringed: the first JP sent them to another one down the street, they went to the second guy and they got married by him all right. All this "racism" sound and fury is ludicrous.

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@High Seas,

"Sorry, we don't serve your type in here, try the next pub, or another bus company."

That's ok? Not racist? Yeah right.

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