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Reply Wed 7 Oct, 2009 07:28 pm
How being stressed out can affect your teeth? Cracked and worn-down teeth, jaw pain and headaches are getting the attention of dentists, and stress is at the root of the problem, they say.
I don't know why the sentence does't use "said" intead of "say", and do I need to use quotation marks in this sentence?

Thank you.
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MontereyJack
 
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Reply Wed 7 Oct, 2009 07:51 pm
It's an example of what is sometimes called the timeless present, i.e. dentists didn't say it at one particular time, it is their general opinion so they may say that whenever the topic comes up, rather than just August 14, 2008, for example. It's like "People say that water freezes". Water will freeze anytime the temp gets below 32F, and people might say that anytime the topic of conversation turns to ice.

It's not a direct quote, so you don't need quotation marks.
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JTT
 
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Reply Thu 8 Oct, 2009 12:08 pm
@jinmin1988,
The reason, Jinmin, is that the traditional "rules" that are generally described/have been described to ELLs are not accurate. They don't account for how reported speech is actually dealt with by native speakers.

It's isn't a "timeless present" as MJ suggested thought that certainly is one of the reasons that we use a present tense FORM reporting verb and that we don't "backshift" in the report.

JTT
 
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Reply Thu 8 Oct, 2009 01:04 pm
@JTT,
[My other computer went all screwy]

It isn't a "timeless present" [Perceived general truth] as MJ suggested though that idea is certainly is one of the reasons that we use a present tense FORM reporting verb, or a past one, while retaining the same for used by the original speaker.

Jinmin's example is the State-event remains true[1]. This means that something that was recently said still is true at this time.

A: I going to go to China.

B: What did A say, C?

C: She says/said that she is going to go to Chin.

[1] The Grammar Book An ESL/EFL Teacher's Course
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MontereyJack
 
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Reply Thu 8 Oct, 2009 01:52 pm
same idea, different term.
Francis
 
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Reply Thu 8 Oct, 2009 01:59 pm
@MontereyJack,
I'm scratching my chin, after JTT wrote:
C: She says/said that she is going to go to Chin.
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JTT
 
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Reply Thu 8 Oct, 2009 01:59 pm
@MontereyJack,
Quote:
same idea, different term.


I don't think that they are, MJ, but ...
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