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DO WE LIVE IN A STUPID COUNTRY

 
 
Reply Sat 8 Aug, 2009 09:28 am

Bill MaherHost of HBO's "Real Time with Bill Maher"

New Rule: Smart President ≠ Smart Country

New Rule: Just because a country elects a smart president doesn't make it a smart country. A few weeks ago I was asked by Wolf Blitzer if I thought Sarah Palin could get elected president, and I said I hope not, but I wouldn't put anything past this stupid country. It was amazing - in the minute or so between my calling America stupid and the end of the Cialis commercial, CNN was flooded with furious emails and the twits hit the fan. And you could tell that these people were really mad because they wrote entirely in CAPITAL LETTERS!!! It's how they get the blood circulating when the Cialis wears off. Worst of all, Bill O'Reilly refuted my contention that this is a stupid country by calling me a pinhead, which A) proves my point, and B) is really funny coming from a doody-face like him.

Now, the hate mail all seemed to have a running theme: that I may live in a stupid country, but they lived in the greatest country on earth, and that perhaps I should move to another country, like Somalia. Well, the joke's on them because I happen to have a summer home in Somalia... and no I can't show you an original copy of my birth certificate because Woody Harrelson spilled bong water on it.

And before I go about demonstrating how, sadly, easy it is to prove the dumbness dragging down our country, let me just say that ignorance has life and death consequences. On the eve of the Iraq War, 69% of Americans thought Saddam Hussein was personally involved in 9/11. Four years later, 34% still did. Or take the health care debate we're presently having: members of Congress have recessed now so they can go home and "listen to their constituents." An urge they should resist because their constituents don't know anything. At a recent town-hall meeting in South Carolina, a man stood up and told his Congressman to "keep your government hands off my Medicare," which is kind of like driving cross country to protest highways.

I'm the bad guy for saying it's a stupid country, yet polls show that a majority of Americans cannot name a single branch of government, or explain what the Bill of Rights is. 24% could not name the country America fought in the Revolutionary War. More than two-thirds of Americans don't know what's in Roe v. Wade. Two-thirds don't know what the Food and Drug Administration does. Some of this stuff you should be able to pick up simply by being alive. You know, like the way the Slumdog kid knew about cricket.

Not here. Nearly half of Americans don't know that states have two senators and more than half can't name their congressman. And among Republican governors, only 30% got their wife's name right on the first try.

Sarah Palin says she would never apologize for America. Even though a Gallup poll says 18% of Americans think the sun revolves around the earth. No, they're not stupid. They're interplanetary mavericks. A third of Republicans believe Obama is not a citizen, and a third of Democrats believe that George Bush had prior knowledge of the 9/11 attacks, which is an absurd sentence because it contains the words "Bush" and "knowledge."

People bitch and moan about taxes and spending, but they have no idea what their government spends money on. The average voter thinks foreign aid consumes 24% of our federal budget. It's actually less than 1%. And don't even ask about cabinet members: seven in ten think Napolitano is a kind of three-flavored ice cream. And last election, a full one-third of voters forgot why they were in the booth, handed out their pants, and asked, "Do you have these in a relaxed-fit?"

And I haven't even brought up America's religious beliefs. But here's one fun fact you can take away: did you know only about half of Americans are aware that Judaism is an older religion than Christianity? That's right, half of America looks at books called the Old Testament and the New Testament and cannot figure out which one came first.

And these are the idiots we want to weigh in on the minutia of health care policy? Please, this country is like a college chick after two Long Island Iced Teas: we can be talked into anything, like wars, and we can be talked out of anything, like health care. We should forget town halls, and replace them with study halls. There's a lot of populist anger directed towards Washington, but you know who concerned citizens should be most angry at? Their fellow citizens. "Inside the beltway" thinking may be wrong, but at least it's thinking, which is more than you can say for what's going on outside the beltway.

And if you want to call me an elitist for this, I say thank you. Yes, I want decisions made by an elite group of people who know what they're talking about. That means Obama budget director Peter Orszag, not Sarah Palin.

Which is the way our founding fathers wanted it. James Madison wrote that "pure democracy" doesn't work because "there is nothing to check... an obnoxious individual." Then, in the margins, he doodled a picture of Joe the Plumber.

Until we admit there are things we don't know, we can't even start asking the questions to find out. Until we admit that America can make a mistake, we can't stop the next one. A smart guy named Chesterton once said: "My country, right or wrong is a thing no patriot would ever think of saying... It is like saying 'My mother, drunk or sober.'" To which most Americans would respond: "Are you calling my mother a drunk?"
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BillRM
 
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Reply Sat 8 Aug, 2009 10:35 am
@Advocate,
Hell 80 percent of any population are fools including this web-site<grin>.

You can see this at work with the tea baggers/birthers/anti-evolution and others nuts of every possible favor.

The main problem is not the number of stupid nuts but the fact that they can be control for the benefit of others not themselves.

Most of the people acting like brown shirts at the health care town meetings are lucky to be able to buy a six pack of beer and would greatly benefit from the very program they are up in arm again.

They allow themselves to be bus to these events using funds coming indirectly from the insurance companies and the drug companies and can not see how they are cheerfully cutting their own throats for the benefit of such firms.

But this kind of thing is nothing new in this country or any other country.
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Merry Andrew
 
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Reply Sat 8 Aug, 2009 10:52 am
I totally agree that 80 percent or more of all Americans are abysmally stupid. But how does this make them different from the rest of the human race?
BillRM
 
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Reply Sat 8 Aug, 2009 11:19 am
@Merry Andrew,
I totally agree that 80 percent or more of all Americans are abysmally stupid. But how does this make them different from the rest of the human race?
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You did not read this part of my former posting?
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But this kind of thing is nothing new in this country or any other country.
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Merry Andrew
 
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Reply Sat 8 Aug, 2009 01:17 pm
@BillRM,
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You did not read this part of my former posting?


I read it. Basically, just agreeing with you, Bill. Americans are neither more nor less stupid than anyone else. General stupidity seems to be part of the human condition.
Advocate
 
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Reply Sat 8 Aug, 2009 01:31 pm
@Merry Andrew,
I spent a good bit of time in the UK with friends and family, and do believe that the average person there is much more knowledgeable and sophisticated. For instance, when indirectly electing a prime minister, they look far beyond the person's personality and background, but consider who "his people" are; e. g., who would be in charge of finances, defense, etc.
Rockhead
 
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Reply Sat 8 Aug, 2009 01:42 pm
i love mr maher...

even if he is a doody-head.
parados
 
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Reply Sat 8 Aug, 2009 01:44 pm
@Advocate,
Yeah.. Well in America we considered who the Presidential candidate was doing a terrorist fist bump with. SO THERE>>>>


oops, I should have done the entire post in caps.
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djjd62
 
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Reply Sat 8 Aug, 2009 01:46 pm
@Advocate,
Advocate wrote:

I spent a good bit of time in the UK with friends and family, and do believe that the average person there is much more knowledgeable and sophisticated. For instance, when indirectly electing a prime minister, they look far beyond the person's personality and background, but consider who "his people" are; e. g., who would be in charge of finances, defense, etc.


canada uses the same parliamentary system, the people in charge of finance, education, defense etc, are elected officials of the ruling party, their performance not only affects the prime minister, but their own re=election possibilities

as for intelligence, i think it's more ignorance than stupidity, most people don't care to find out what's going on, it's easier to listen to rush or maddows, or watch fox and cnn and let them form their opinions
aidan
 
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Reply Sat 8 Aug, 2009 01:48 pm
@Rockhead,
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. And don't even ask about cabinet members: seven in ten think Napolitano is a kind of three-flavored ice cream.

Yeah - he's funny, but I don't believe this. Every single red-blooded American knows how to spell neopolitan and would NEVER spell it 'Napolitano' - I mean unless they've never been to an American birthday party or something.

*On a more serious note, even though we don't seem smarter, we seem a little less violent. I had just remarked to someone that now that Obama is president the school shootings seem to have tapered off. And then of course the next day - there was the shooting in the health club. I'm not joking about it - just as sad in its own way - but at least less kids are shooting other kids at school (for the moment anyway).
aidan
 
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Reply Sat 8 Aug, 2009 01:54 pm
@aidan,
I meant to say fewer kids are shooting other kids (at school).
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Advocate
 
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Reply Sat 8 Aug, 2009 01:55 pm
@djjd62,
Hey, I realize that we are not more "stupid." I use the term as an expression for our lack of knowledge, etc.
aidan
 
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Reply Sat 8 Aug, 2009 02:08 pm
@Advocate,
Well be that as it may - we've come an awful long way in less than 250 years as an established and recognized nationalistic entity and there must have been some brains in the operation somewhere.
BillRM
 
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Reply Sat 8 Aug, 2009 04:01 pm
@aidan,
Well be that as it may - we've come an awful long way in less than 250 years as an established and recognized nationalistic entity and there must have been some brains in the operation somewhere.
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The founding fathers was amazing and set up one hell of a self stabilizing form of government and even so there was many turning points that could had gone the other way for us.

You can in fact get almost any form of government to work with bright and determent people at it head or with a nice stable system you can run on autopilot for generations before needing those bright people to react to some crisis or other.

Second 250 years is nothing as empires had last ten times that time frame as in the Roman/Byzantine Empire.


aidan
 
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Reply Sat 8 Aug, 2009 04:21 pm
@BillRM,
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Second 250 years is nothing as empires had last ten times that time frame as in the Roman/Byzantine Empire.

Yes, as countries go - we're a very young country - so maybe what appears to be rash and impulsive arrogance can be chalked up to youth rather than stupidity.
If nothing else - I think Americans should be give credit for innovation - which takes a certain amount of creativity and intelligence. Given the strides the American people have made in a mere tenth of the time that other nations have been sovereign, I would certainly hesitate before I'd assign a genetic or otherwise inherent lack of intelligence to the American gene pool.








BillRM
 
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Reply Sat 8 Aug, 2009 04:31 pm
@aidan,
I would certainly hesitate before I'd assign a genetic or otherwise inherent lack of intelligence to the American gene pool.
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As history had shown and the news programs are showing we do have a large percent of our population that can be control by addressing their fears to go against their own best interests.

This is a weakness that might result in our ruin.
aidan
 
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Reply Sat 8 Aug, 2009 04:44 pm
@BillRM,
I see what you're saying, but I also think the same phenomenon can be explained by a uniquely American and thus identifying passion of belief that spurs Americans to action - which yes- if used wrongly can be our greatest weakness - but when used appropriately - is our greatest strength, as a united people. And despite what our more recent history has indicated, there have, in fact, have been a lot of instances in which this has been our salvation.
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Merry Andrew
 
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Reply Sat 8 Aug, 2009 07:22 pm
@BillRM,
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As history had shown and the news programs are showing we do have a large percent of our population that can be control by addressing their fears to go against their own best interests.


But, again, I don't see how this differentiates us from any other people. Most people are not only dumb but gullible as all hell. Anyone glib enough leads the pack around by its collective nose. In countries that have democratically elected governments the election of woefully worrisome heads of state and cabinet heads is commonplace. How are, say, Australians or Canadians or the voters of the UK any different from us poor Yanks in this regard? I don't see it.
BillRM
 
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Reply Sat 8 Aug, 2009 08:00 pm
@Merry Andrew,
Merry Andrew it is my impression that the Europe of today do not have the nuts anywhere as well organize to the level we do. In fact the Republican party is being taken over by the nuts controllers and I know of no similar happening in Europe.

Second there is not an anti-intellect fundamental Christians movement of similar size in Europe either.
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rabel22
 
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Reply Sun 9 Aug, 2009 12:52 am
I like Bill Mahar. Was mad as hell when the conseratives had him removed from the airwaves.
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