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McNamera is dead

 
 
Reply Mon 6 Jul, 2009 08:22 am
Quote:
Theodore White, in his book "The Making of the President 1968," said McNamara argued behind the scenes that the United States must not slip quietly into the war -- that the decision must be brought before Congress and the issue debated openly.

But Kennedy authorized a small-scale increase in troop strength and, after his assassination in 1963, Johnson bowed to pressure from his generals and began a major buildup that finally had more than 500,000 U.S. troops in Vietnam.
Meself personally hated Mcnamera, his book was indeed an apology for his misdeeds in Vietnam but did nothing for the lives lost under his direction.
 
joefromchicago
 
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Reply Mon 6 Jul, 2009 09:26 am
@dyslexia,
This is an enormous loss to the nation. Now who can we turn to in order to get the country mired in a costly and unwinnable war in Asia?

Oh wait...
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Ragman
 
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Reply Mon 6 Jul, 2009 09:34 am
Every time I think of some of the major tragedies and injustices of the '60s, McNamara''s stoneface pops into the forefront of my mind. I think Cheney and he were cut from the same cloth.
marcusmachiavelli
 
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Reply Mon 6 Jul, 2009 10:55 am
McNamara was a very smart man and did a lot. He raised the proportion of Strategic Air Command (SAC) strategic bombers on 15-minute ground alert from 25 percent to 50 percent, though lessening their vulnerability to missile attack. In December 1961 he established the Strike Command (STRICOM).
McNamara was also fundamentally associated with the Vietnam War, "McNamara's war," the country's most disastrous foreign venture, the only American war to end in abject withdrawal rather than victory.
Rockhead
 
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Reply Mon 6 Jul, 2009 11:19 am
@dyslexia,
don't think ima RIP this one...
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Mon 6 Jul, 2009 12:09 pm
Screw McNamara into the ground.
farmerman
 
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Reply Mon 6 Jul, 2009 12:43 pm
We must pound a stake into his heart and bury him with a sprig of wolfbane and rosemary.
Green Witch
 
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Reply Mon 6 Jul, 2009 12:46 pm
@edgarblythe,
...and Donald Rumsfeld should be entombed next to him, only you don't have to wait for him to die, if you ask me.
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djjd62
 
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Reply Mon 6 Jul, 2009 12:46 pm
@marcusmachiavelli,
i've heard that hitler liked dogs
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tycoon
 
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Reply Mon 6 Jul, 2009 05:56 pm
I believe it was MacNamara who killed the Edsel while at Ford. The fledgling new brand name had about a four year run when he nixed it. He set his sights next on the Mercury division, with the conviction that there should only be one brand name: Ford. He was called into public service before he was able to effect that change.

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Merry Andrew
 
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Reply Mon 6 Jul, 2009 06:19 pm
@farmerman,
Quote:
We must pound a stake into his heart and bury him with a sprig of wolfbane and rosemary.


Y'think? I'll contribute the garlic cloves.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 6 Jul, 2009 06:25 pm
@Ragman,
Ragman wrote:

Every time I think of some of the major tragedies and injustices of the '60s,
McNamara''s stoneface pops into the forefront of my mind.


I think Cheney and he were cut from the same cloth.

That 's a horrible insult to Cheney.
djjd62
 
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Reply Mon 6 Jul, 2009 06:27 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
i'm pretty sure that's why he said it

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Green Witch
 
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Reply Mon 6 Jul, 2009 06:28 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
That's the point.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 6 Jul, 2009 06:29 pm
@marcusmachiavelli,
marcusmachiavelli wrote:
Quote:
McNamara was a very smart man

He certainly held that opinion of himself and never tired of expressing it.

His favorite saying was:
"We were the brightest and the best."
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 6 Jul, 2009 06:32 pm
@Green Witch,
Green Witch wrote:

That's the point.

I wish that Cheney had been the President instead of W.
We 'd have gotten a much better and much freer administration.
I 've never met him, but I hold him in the very highest esteem.





David
djjd62
 
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Reply Mon 6 Jul, 2009 06:35 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
besides GWB and possibly the cheney family, you may be the only one
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Green Witch
 
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Reply Mon 6 Jul, 2009 06:48 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
You really think GWB was in charge of the presidency and Cheney didn't run the show???? It's like saying Charlie McCarthy was in control of Edgar Bergen.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 6 Jul, 2009 06:57 pm
@Green Witch,
Green Witch wrote:

You really think GWB was in charge of the presidency and Cheney didn't run the show????

Yes, indeed.
I think that.
There were very considerable differences of opinion between them,
but as all good vice-presidents do,
Cheney buried his own views under his loyalty to the President.
One difference that cropped up was his gently, softly expressed
opinion that lesbians shoud have freedom to marry.
His child is a lesbian.

If Cheney had been President,
action in favor of personal freedom to defend your life from
predatory violence by swift and direct access to defensive emergency equipment
woud have been much more robust.

Cheney is a conservative, like Barry Goldwater and me.
Neither of the Bushes were nor are.
Liberty means little to them.
The philosophy of the Founders means little to them.

The Bushes r fake Republicans.





David
Merry Andrew
 
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Reply Mon 6 Jul, 2009 08:42 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
I find it extremely difficult to believe that you can actually believe this nonsense that you're spouting, David.

Oh, I forgot. You've got me on 'ignore'. Makes no difference what I say to you.
 

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