SOCIALISM FOR AMERICA....ITS TIME!!!

Surplus value

If you get paid 5$ an hour to make toasters and you make one toaster per hour and the owner sells that toaster for 20$ the surplus value the owner makes off you is 15$

Toaster 20$
labor 5$
_________
Surplus value 15$

Marx himself regarded the reduction of profit, interest, and rent income to surplus-value, and surplus value to surplus labour as one of his greatest theoretical achievements.

The world economy works on capitalism, not socialism. So, within a country, socialism can only work, I believe, if the population is homogeneous, like Scandanavia. I say this because in Scandanavia there is less resentment about high taxes, since the "greater good" reflects people similar to the people taxed.

The U.S. has too many competing populations. We may resent those that utilize our tax dollars. We have yet to become a homogeneous American nationality. Black and White is only one division. There are plenty more. Capitalism is really the only working paradigm for a diverse population. Winners win, and losers lose. If socialism comes, the winners may eventually go elsewhere. Then socialized medicine can direct patients to a nurse/physician's assistant; the doctors might be elsewhere.

I would predict that state's rights might become a big issue to deal with a federal governement that has a social agenda.

What about the materials the employer had to buy to make the toaster, plus the factory or the place to house the tools and the operation to make the toaster? What about his overhead, in terms of selling the toaster, such as advertising to let people know he had toasters to sell?

Equality is bullshit. I don't think nature set out to make all peoples equal. Equality is a human invention

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What about the materials the employer had to buy to make the toaster, plus the factory or the place to house the tools and the operation to make the toaster? What about his overhead, in terms of selling the toaster, such as advertising to let people know he had toasters to sell?

The worker is a fourteen year old girl that makes 3$ a day, works 14 hours a day and makes twenty toasters an hour that the owner sells for 30$ a piece.

Do you think i'm an idiot or do you have **** for brains?

Explaining rudimentary bullshit to you would be a part time job. I,m on a mission.

Bye bye

Hawkeye, I am surprised you did not distinguish between equality of opportunity vs equality of outcome. Outcomes are never equal, and this country never operated as if it should be. But the modern liberal has injected that possibility as a justification for all kinds of things. Conservatives believe in equality of opportunity, then it is up to us to make something out of ourselves, and support ourselves and our families.

P.S. I guess that is what you were talking about when you mentioned meritocracy, which is a fancy word for earning what you have. Socialism seeks to replace that. Thats what Obama's change was about, rob the producers and give it to the non-producers

The worker is a fourteen year old girl that makes 3$ a day, works 14 hours a day and makes twenty toasters an hour that the owner sells for 30$ a piece.

Do you think i'm an idiot or do you have **** for brains?

Walmart I will burn to the ground, tear up the concrete and plant food and make a park for all MY FELLOW AMERICANS that lost there family owned businesses to a MONOPOLY.

And we will do the same for the slaves in the walmart factorys in China.
They will be FREE.

What country would you call "communist"? The both the USSR and pre reform China termed themselves as socialist: communism was in their terms still a distant goal.

THE YEAR WAS 2081, and everybody was finally equal. They weren’t only equal before God and the law. They were equal every which way. Nobody was smarter than anybody else. Nobody was better looking than anybody else. Nobody was stronger or quicker than anybody else. All this equality was due to the 211th, 212th, and 213th Amendments to the Constitution, and to the unceasing vigilance of agents of the United States Handicapper General.

"In the pursuit of egalitarianism, an ideal wrenched far beyond what the founding fathers took it to mean, we have willfully blinded ourselves to home truths those Solon's well understood, not the least the simple fact that some people are better than others-smarter, harder working, more learned, more productive, harder to replace. Some ideas are better than others, some values more enduring, some works of art more universal. Some cultures, though we dare not say it, are more accomplished than others and therefor more worthy of study. Every corner of the human race may have something to contribute. That does not mean that all contributions are equal"