@msolga,
Thanks, now its perfectly clear as to the significance. I just saw an aboriginal in a shirt and He was saying , in effect, that the shirt was a s good a feel as being naked. Obviously not, it was even a bit more insidious.
Butterflynet-It looks like the Cinnamanoil /vinegar wasn nearly as effective as the Roundup. Still, it worked on fence weeds for me and the AMISH version was relatively the same as Roundup (diluted to a field strength of 2% solution)