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Standing by your man: Maria (good); Hillary (bad)?

 
 
ehBeth
 
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Reply Fri 3 Oct, 2003 07:38 pm
It's not particularly obsessed about here. More like commented on, and accepted. Several recent premiers/ministers have been outted about mistresses etc. It was noted, and then things moved on. Our recently defeated premier has been with his co-vivant for many years. (Their relationship was not a part of his defeat.) Political creatures are people - they have affairs, mess up, fool around, whatever - there's no reason they should be any different. Of course, choosing to be in the public eye, they realize that it will be noted and commented on, before it is put aside. We have lots of political figures here who have done things/do things that would not cut it in the U.S. media circus. We had political leaders come out of the closet years ago. Two I can think of, literally decades ago. My personal favourite is a western premier who went to a homeless shelter after a political dinner, drunk as a skunk, ranted at the guys that they should get jobs, then went home to sleep it off. He's still quite popular. I can't imagine him surviving in the U.S.

Political writers have been writing about politician's sexual, and other personal, pecadilloes for hundreds of years. Nothing new, or surprising, to be found there.

I do think that if you're going to comment on the 'whatevers' of the left, it's only fair to comment on the 'whatevers' of the right and centre. At the same time, I don't think I can expect the same commentators to be involved. I'd like to see it, but I don't expect it.
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dlowan
 
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Reply Fri 3 Oct, 2003 07:46 pm
Yes - I didn't think Canada took it to the level of the USA...
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Butrflynet
 
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Reply Fri 3 Oct, 2003 08:26 pm
I am not all that worried about Arnold's obsession with silicon. It isn't what I would base my voting decision upon and has very little to do with whether or not he is capable of fulfulling the void in the governor's office.

The media does the voters a disservice by obsessively running with this "tit"ilation at the expense of any sort of indepth investigative effort of the agendas of the candidates.
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sozobe
 
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Reply Fri 3 Oct, 2003 08:31 pm
I think this whole thing is complicated by the fact that Arnold was a celebrity before he was a politician. I think celebrities regularly get away with bad bad things that they shouldn't get away with. I find the accusations plausible.

That doesn't mean I definitely believe them... sure, they could be trumped up. And definitely, they were brought to light (or at least publicized) for unsavory, muckraking reasons, and I would rather that the muckraking not be such a big part of politics.

MoveOn sent an email with a bunch of the "evidence". I put it in quotes, because who knows. Again, though, it seems plausible. Stuff like this, from a March 2001 Premiere Magazine story on him:

Quote:
"You don't get it," says a producer who's worked with Schwarzenegger. "That's the way Arnold always behaves. For some reason, [this time] the studio or the publicists couldn't put enough pressure on the women to kill the story." Terminating bad press was once relatively easy for Schwarzenegger, who for much of the '80s and a good part of the '90s was a veritable money-making machine for the studios. And while some of his most recent films have enjoyed less-than-stellar box office performances, he is still a very huge star and one of the highest-paid actors in the world: He reportedly received $25 million for his work in the 1999 disappointment End of Days. Accordingly, Schwarzenegger films are always big-budget affairs; as such, they provide lots of jobs to lots of people and generate lots of money to lots of studio suits and other peripheral players. Arnold is not just a rich movie star; he's the straw that stirs the drinks. The sort of person, in other words, who tends to get indulged. A lot.

"The second I walked into the room," Anna Richardson says, several weeks after the incident, "he was like a dog in heat." Other stories about Schwarzenegger tend to fit her simile. During the production of the 1991 mega-blockbuster Terminator 2: Judgment Day, a producer on that film recalls Arnold's emerging from his trailer one day and noticing a fortyish female crew member, who was wearing a silk blouse. Arnold went up to the woman, put his hands inside her blouse, and proceeded to pull her breasts out of her bra. Another observer says, "I couldn't believe what I was seeing. This woman's nipples were exposed, and here's Arnold and a few of his clones laughing. I went after the woman, who had run to the shelter of a nearby trailer. She was hysterical but refused to press charges for fear of losing her job. It was disgusting."

The full Premiere article is reprinted on the web here:
http://www.slumdance.com/blogs/brian_flemming/archives/000300.html


This is hardly cast-iron evidence. Just tends to make sense to me. And IF it is true, I do think that a pattern of harrassing women and not being held accountable is different from having consensual sexual relationships. I don't like the latter, and I'm still extremely angry at Bill Clinton for being such an idiot. I'd perhaps prefer that such a peccadillo would not result in ruin, but he knew it would, and he did it anyway, and that was beyond idiotic.

While I'd prefer that consensual sex would not have such an outsized effect on political prospects, I DO think that sexual harrassment, especially patterns of sexual harrassment (disclaimer again -- I know nothing has been proven, but he has been apologizing, there is actual evidence, etc.), are a different kettle of fish and should always be taken seriously. I think the issue here is less that someone seeking office is being unfairly raked over the coals than that a celebrity has unfairly used his power and influence to get away with exceedingly bad and possibly criminal behavior.
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BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Reply Fri 3 Oct, 2003 11:11 pm
Sozobe
Sozobe, thank you for the info, which is quite widely known in California, and your comments. They are so right on target. It explains why those of us who have known of Arnold's consistent behavior and abuse of power are so upset about his attempt to take the governorship of California to satisfy his extreme egotistic needs. That is not the sort of person California needs to guide the state through its current problems.

BumbleBeeBoogie
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BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Reply Sat 4 Oct, 2003 12:22 am
Schwarzenegger Stays on Message as Wife Extends Support
October 4, 2003 - New York Times
THE LEADING REPUBLICAN
Schwarzenegger Stays on Message as Wife Extends Support
By CHARLIE LeDUFF and ADAM NAGOURNEY

BAKERSFIELD, Calif., Oct. 3 ?- Declaring that "the people know my character," Arnold Schwarzenegger fought to rise above controversy on Friday, while his wife, Maria Shriver, staunchly defended him from accusations that he had made unwanted sexual advances to women.
In a sweep through California, Mr. Schwarzenegger, the actor seeking to become governor in the state's recall election on Tuesday, pledged on the second day of his bus tour: "I will stay focused. I will stay focused because the fight continues."

Still, he gave a series of interviews trying to explain the questions swirling around his campaign.

On Thursday, with polls showing him surging, his campaign was shaken by accounts by six women who told The Los Angeles Times he had made unsolicited physical advances. He also faced questions about a book proposal, obtained by The New York Times and ABC News, that quoted him as saying in 1975 that he had admired Hitler.

His campaign continued trying to tamp down the controversy on Friday, issuing a statement from George Butler, the author of the book proposal, saying the remarks were taken out of context and not completely accurate. The statement included what it said were more accurate quotations. [Page A9.]

He apologized on Thursday for having "behaved badly sometimes" toward women and said he despised "anything that Hitler stands for."

An array of polls this week showed strong support for recalling Gov. Gray Davis. Mr. Schwarzenegger, a Republican, emerged as the most popular of 135 candidates to replace the Democratic governor. The recall ballot first asks voters to decide if Mr. Davis should be ousted. It then asks them to chose a replacement.

With just days to go before the election, some political strategists said the new accusations could narrow the race, but doubted there was enough time to change its dynamics.

"Its likely that this narrows the margin on the recall," said Dan Schnur, a Republican consultant who ran the campaign of the former baseball commissioner Peter V. Ueberroth until he dropped out of the recall race. "The question is by how much. Voters might not like what they are hearing about Arnold, but they really hated Gray for a long time."

Gale Kaufman, a Democratic political consultant who often works for organized labor in Sacramento, said she expected that some of Mr. Schwarzenegger's supporters would become undecided but that sentiment in favor of the recall of Mr. Davis would not diminish.

"I don't think it affects the yes or no question at all," she said. "Because I think people have made up their mind on that question and they have been pretty solid all along. And they knew who the candidates were a week ago."

Aides to Mr. Schwarzenegger said that their overnight polls showed no erosion in support.

Still, in a last push for Mr. Davis, women's groups opposed to Mr. Schwarzenegger, joined by Arianna Huffington, a onetime recall candidate, held protest rallies around the state and Democrats joined them in raising sharp questions about Mr. Schwarzenegger's character.

"I don't see how anyone can admire Adolf Hitler," Mr. Davis told the ABC television show "Good Morning America." "Any decent American has to be offended by that phrase."

Senator Dianne Feinstein, a steadfast Davis supporter who is considered one of the most popular Democratic politicians in the state, echoed the theme on the "Today" show on NBC. "If this was a man that found Adolf Hitler to be a glorified and acceptable and a desirable character," she said, "I sure want to know it as a Californian because I don't want that man as my governor."

In Washington, where the Democratic National Committee was meeting, party members also attacked the actor.

"You know, after reading in the paper this morning about the pill popping and skirt chasing and Hitler praising, it would be very tempting to point out Republicans' hypocrisy on values," said Senator Joseph I. Lieberman of Connecticut. "But would it be right to do? Absolutely." The Democrats' statements were prompted by the fact that a film producer, Mr. Butler, who chronicled Mr. Schwarzenegger's rise to fame as a champion bodybuilder in the 1970's, circulated a book proposal six years ago that quoted the young man expressing admiration for Hitler.

The book proposal presented what it called verbatim excerpts from the filming of "Pumping Iron," in which the actor said he admired Hitler because he "came from being a little man with almost no formal education up to power. And I admire him for being a good public speaker."

Mr. Butler said in an interview late Thursday night that he had found original transcripts of the interviews and that Mr. Schwarzenegger went on to say of Hitler, "I didn't admire him for what he did with it."

Mr. Schwarzenegger on Thursday said, "I despise anything that Hitler stands for, anything he has done, hated the Nazism, hated what was done during the Second World War."

In an interview on Friday, Mr. Schwarzenegger said he was not deterred by the last few days.

"Before I went into the race, everyone came to me and said, `Arnold think about it,' " he said. "They're going to throw everything at you, that's just the way it works in politics.

"This is a discovery for me," he said. "I'm not the smartest guy in the world. No, but I'll learn when I get in there, first is the commitment. Like bodybuilding, first is the commitment."

He also said that he would continue to apologize to women and had not realized women were offended. Women gave The Los Angeles Times accounts of him grabbing their breasts or putting his hand under their clothes. "It's too bad nobody came up to me before and sat down and said I still feel hurt about what you said," he said Friday, "and I could have apologized right then and there. I never got the chance."

On the campaign trail, however, he stuck to his themes about rebuilding California. At the first rally, in Arcadia, a Los Angeles suburb, Mr. Schwarzenegger spoke to a large, adoring crowd of abolishing the recent hike in the vehicle license fee and of wistful remembrances of the California of yesteryear.

A number of law enforcement officials preceded him, denouncing a new law signed by Mr. Davis that would allow illegal immigrants to carry state driver's licenses.

A few hecklers held signs picturing the actor from his bodybuilding

days in a pose reminiscent of the Nazi salute.

Nearby, Representative Darrell Issa, the man who bankrolled the recall petition drive, said: "It's getting to the point that if you had a youth, you're disqualified from office. Only career politicians who never had a life need apply."

Mr. Schwarzenegger's wife, Maria Shriver, a member of the Democratic Kennedy clan, also vouched for him. "I believe he's handled himself in this situation in the best possible manner," she told reporters after a campaign appearance. "He apologized and that's courageous."

She said she had met thousands and thousands of women who had worked with her husband who had told her, "He has been an extraordinary gentleman."


Mr. Schwarzenegger drew support from Republicans campaigning at his side, including Rudolph W.

Giuliani, the former New York mayor, and several members of Congress.

Some of them called the late campaign disclosures about Mr. Schwarzenegger the work of Democrats. "These people are doing anything they can to hold onto power," said

Representative David Dreier, traveling on the campaign bus with reporters. "He has apologized. He's a changed man."
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Craven de Kere
 
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Reply Sat 4 Oct, 2003 01:23 am
Sozobe,

So feckin' what? I mean that earnestly. I can't comprehend for the life of me the seemingly pathological obssesion Americans have with frivolous scandal.
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Sat 4 Oct, 2003 08:18 am
Sexual harassment is not frivolous.

I don't know, and don't much care, what the truth is about Mr. Schwarzenegger. I'm never going to have to consider him as a candidate in any election here. But sexual harassment is a criminal offence here, and I take that very seriously.
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McTag
 
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Reply Sat 4 Oct, 2003 08:56 am
Here's one reason why "liberals" should attack Arnie, and his pal Ken Lay, with every means at their disposal:

ARNOLD UNPLUGGED
> It's hasta la vista to $9 billion if the Governator is selected
>
> by Greg Palast
> Friday October 3, 2003
>
> It's not what Arnold Schwarzenegger did to the girls a decade back that
> should raise an eyebrow. According to a series of memoranda our office
> obtained today, it's his dalliance with the boys in a hotel room just
> two years ago that's the real scandal.
>
> The wannabe governor has yet to deny that on May 17, 2001, at the
> Peninsula Hotel in Los Angeles, he had consensual political intercourse
> with Enron chieftain Kenneth Lay. Also frolicking with Arnold and Ken
> was convicted stock swindler Mike Milken.
>
> Now, thirty-four pages of internal Enron memoranda have just come
> through this reporter's fax machine tell all about the tryst between
> Maria's husband and the corporate con men. It turns out that
> Schwarzenegger knowingly joined the hush-hush encounter as part of a
> campaign to sabotage a Davis-Bustamante plan to make Enron and other
> power pirates then ravaging California pay back the $9 billion in
> illicit profits they carried off.
>
> Here's the story Arnold doesn't want you to hear. The biggest single
> threat to Ken Lay and the electricity lords is a private lawsuit filed
> last year under California's unique Civil Code provision 17200, the
> "Unfair Business Practices Act." This litigation, heading to trial now
> in Los Angeles, would make the power companies return the $9 billion
> they filched from California electricity and gas customers.
>
> It takes real cojones to bring such a suit. Who's the plaintiff taking
> on the bad guys? Cruz Bustamante, Lieutenant Governor and reluctant
> leading candidate against Schwarzenegger.
>
> Now follow the action. One month after Cruz brings suit, Enron's Lay
> calls an emergency secret meeting in L.A. of his political
> buck-buddies, including Arnold. Their plan, to undercut Davis
> (according to Enron memos) and "solve" the energy crisis -- that is,
> make the Bustamante legal threat go away.
>
> How can that be done? Follow the trail with me.
>
> While Bustamante's kicking Enron butt in court, the Davis
> Administration is simultaneously demanding that George Bush's energy
> regulators order the $9 billion refund. Don't hold your breath:
> Bush's Federal Energy Regulatory Commission is headed by a guy proposed
> by … Ken Lay.
>
> But Bush's boys on the commission have a problem. The evidence against
> the electricity barons is rock solid: fraudulent reporting of sales
> transactions, megawatt "laundering," fake power delivery scheduling and
> straight out conspiracy (including meetings in hotel rooms).
>
> So the Bush commissioners cook up a terrific scheme: charge the
> companies with conspiracy but offer them, behind closed doors, deals in
> which they have to pay only two cents on each dollar they filched.
>
> Problem: the slap-on-the-wrist refunds won't sail if the Governor of
> California won't play along. Solution: Re-call the Governor.
>
> New Problem: the guy most likely to replace Davis is not Mr.
> Musclehead, but Cruz Bustamante, even a bigger threat to the power
> companies than Davis. Solution: smear Cruz because -- heaven forbid!
> he took donations from Injuns (instead of Ken Lay).
>
> The pay-off? Once Arnold is Governor, he blesses the sweetheart
> settlements with the power companies. When that happens, Bustamante's
> court cases are probably lost. There aren't many judges who will let a
> case go to trial to protect a state if that a governor has already
> allowed the matter to be "settled" by a regulatory agency.
>
> So think about this. The state of California is in the hole by $8
> billion for the coming year. That's chump change next to the $8
> TRILLION in deficits and surplus losses planned and incurred by George
> Bush. Nevertheless, the $8 billion deficit is the hanging rope
> California's right wing is using to lynch Governor Davis.
>
> Yet only Davis and Bustamante are taking direct against to get back the
> $9 billion that was vacuumed out of the state by Enron, Reliant,
> Dynegy, Williams Company and the other Texas bandits who squeezed the
> state by the bulbs.
>
> But if Arnold is selected, it's 'hasta la vista' to the $9 billion.
> When the electricity emperors whistle, Arnold comes -- to the Peninsula
> Hotel or the Governor's mansion. The he-man turns pussycat and curls
> up in their lap.
>
> I asked Mr. Muscle's PR people to comment on the new Enron memos -- and
> his strange silence on Bustamante's suit or Davis' petition. But
> Arnold was too busy shaving off his Hitlerian mustache to respond.
>
The Enron memos were discovered by the
> Foundation for Taxpayer and Consumer Rights, Los Angeles,
> www.ConsumerWatchdog.org
> ============================================
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BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Reply Sat 4 Oct, 2003 09:54 am
3 More Women Allege Misconduct
http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/recall/la-me-cases4oct04-1,1,3896705.story?coll=la-home-headlines
THE RECALL CAMPAIGN
3 More Women Allege Misconduct
In all, 11 women have said Schwarzenegger touched them without their consent. The candidate denies new allegations.
By Tracy Weber, Sue Fox and Megan Garvey
Los Angeles Times Staff Writers

October 4, 2003

Three more women said Friday that Arnold Schwarzenegger had grabbed or groped them.

The new allegations against the Republican front-runner in the race to replace Gov. Gray Davis came a day after he issued a blanket apology for "behaving badly" in the past.

The women who spoke Friday are:

• An assistant director on the 1988 film "Twins," who said the actor had regularly undressed in front of her in his trailer. Once, she said, he pulled her down on a bed while he was wearing only underwear. His behavior on the set, said Linnea Harwell, who has since left the entertainment industry, prompted her to warn women who came to her with concerns never to be alone with Schwarzenegger.

• Carla Baron, a stand-in on the same movie set, who said the actor had sandwiched her between himself and a crew member and forced his tongue into her mouth.

• Collette Brooks, an intern at CNN in Los Angeles in the early 1980s, who said Schwarzenegger had grabbed her buttocks and told her she had a "nice ass." She said the incident occurred in a stairwell when she was 23 and that it had left her scared and shaken. She spoke about her alleged encounter at an event organized by opponents to Schwarzenegger's candidacy.

Regarding the alleged incidents on the "Twins" set, Schwarzenegger said through spokesman Sean Walsh that "neither of these events occurred."

Walsh said he had spoken to "Twins" director Ivan Reitman, along with the producer, publicist and others who worked on the film, "all of whom were on the set almost nonstop. All have said that they never witnessed this and would find it impossible to believe that this would have occurred."

Walsh said the candidate had no comment on Brooks' allegation.

Schwarzenegger issued his general apology after a story in The Times on Thursday detailed allegations from six women, dating back as far as 1975 and as recently as 2000, who said he had groped and humiliated them.

Schwarzenegger said Thursday that he didn't remember specifics of his behavior, but acknowledged: "I have done things that were not right, which I thought then was playful. But I now recognize that I have offended people. And to those people that I have offended, I want to say to them, I am deeply sorry about that, and I apologize."

Including the three women who spoke Friday, 11 women have said that Schwarzenegger touched them without their consent. Seven of the women have given their names. Four have requested anonymity, saying they feared repercussions.

Like those quoted in earlier reports, the women who spoke Friday had told other people about the encounters long before Schwarzenegger began his campaign for governor.

Harwell, who was charged with keeping Schwarzenegger on schedule on the Santa Fe, N.M., set of "Twins," described a difficult environment for women.

"Everyone knew what was going on," said Harwell, who is now a manager of an art museum in Atlanta.

Harwell said her job on "Twins" frequently required her to get Schwarzenegger from his dressing room. She said he regularly stripped naked in front of her. "I never had that experience with other actors," Harwell said. "It was just inappropriate."

She said that one time, as she waited for Schwarzenegger to sign a release in his room, he began taking off his clothes. "I said, 'Can you please sign this? I have to go back to the set.' " Harwell said Schwarzenegger, dressed in undershorts, approached her and started pulling her down on the bed.

"He said, 'I'll sign it, why don't you lay down next to me?' " Harwell said. "He was laughing like it was all a big joke. Well, it wasn't. It was scary."

When someone called on her walkie-talkie, Harwell said, Schwarzenegger let her go. After that, Harwell said, she always made sure another person accompanied her on the set, and she avoided entering Schwarzenegger's dressing room.

Harwell said Schwarzenegger's friends were on the lookout in case the actor's wife, Maria Shriver, showed up. "Everything changed when Maria came on the set."

When Shriver wasn't around, Harwell said, Schwarzenegger made rude comments without regard to who overheard. "Why does he think he could get away with it? But he could," she said.

Harwell's husband, Michael, said his wife told him about the alleged encounters with Schwarzenegger in 1996.

"I would ask her about people she had worked with and naturally, when Arnold's name came up, it was not pleasant," Harwell said. "She said she would go to his trailer to get him and he would be naked or taking his clothes off."

Told late Friday of Schwarzenegger's denial, Harwell said: "Well, he can say that but it's not trueI don't know what's going to happen. All I know is we're telling the truth."

The Times contacted Harwell after interviewing another woman on the set, Carla Baron, who said she had had problems with Schwarzenegger.

Baron, then 28, said she was a stand-in for lead actress Kelly Preston. She said the reports this week about Schwarzenegger reminded her of the feelings of powerlessness and humiliation she experienced.

Baron said she was standing next to a food service table with Schwarzenegger and his longtime stand-in shortly after Shriver left the "Twins" set. The men suggested making a "Carla sandwich," Baron said. The stand-in moved behind her while Schwarzenegger stood in front. "I said something along the line of, 'Boys, the sandbox is outback,' " Baron said.

"Arnold said, 'No, I think we should make a Carla sandwich,' " she said. With Schwarzenegger facing her and the stand-in behind, they squeezed her between them, Baron said. After they separated, Schwarzenegger, who had just been smoking a cigar, bent her over and pushed his tongue in her mouth, she said.

"There was this tongue just lunging down my throat," Baron said. "I am in shock at this point. I wanted to throw up from the taste. It was worse than licking an ashtray. It was like an ashtray of human flesh."

When Schwarzenegger released her, Baron said, she "slapped him lightly on the face," then pointed a finger at him, saying: "Do not ever do that again without asking my permission," Baron said. Schwarzenegger immediately apologized and didn't give her any more trouble on the set, she said.

Baron, now a psychic investigator who has a radio program and appears on Court TV's "Psychic Detectives" said she complained to a female assistant director at the time. She also told a co-worker about the encounter years ago.

Paul Stern, her longtime program director at the radio station where she works, said she told him about the incident five years ago and has brought it up again whenever "Twins" airs on TV.

"She was talking about her experiences as an extra and it just kind of came up ?- the outrageousness of it happening and the nerve of it," said Stern, vice president of operations at the Cable Radio Network in Sunland.

Like many other women who have spoken recently about alleged problems with Schwarzenegger, Baron said that at the time she felt her career would be jeopardized if she spoke out. "You're blacklisted very easily," she said. "They want to know who's difficult and who's not."

She said she did, however, share the incident with the production's only female assistant director. Movie databases show that the only woman with that title was Harwell. Harwell said that while she remembered Baron from the set, she could not recall her complaint. But she did say that Baron's story, as recounted to her by The Times, was consistent with what she had experienced, witnessed and heard from other women.

Reitman, the "Twins" director, said in an interview Friday that he had not witnessed any abusive behavior by Schwarzenegger.

"I was on the set all the time and it was one of the friendliest shoots I've ever been on," said Reitman, who has known Schwarzenegger for 15 years and recently held a campaign fund-raiser for him. "No raunchy stuff. People's families were there.

"Nothing even approximating what you're saying happened. I would have heard something," he said.

The Schwarzenegger campaign made several "Twins" crew members available late Friday via conference call.

Peter Tothpal, a hair stylist who said he had worked with Schwarzenegger for about 12 years, sought to cast doubt on Harwell's account, saying he never saw the actor invite an assistant director into his trailer.

Billy Lucas, Schwarzenegger's stunt double for a decade, said he was with Schwarzenegger whenever the actor changed clothes for stunts and never saw Harwell in his trailer. He conceded he was not with Schwarzenegger each time he changed throughout the filming.

Also coming forward with new allegations against Schwarzenegger on Friday was the former CNN intern, Brooks, now a 45-year-old Culver City businesswoman.

Brooks said she was escorting the actor onto a set at CNN when Schwarzenegger, then in his mid-30s, groped her.

She said she was "petrified" after Schwarzenegger made a lewd comment and grabbed her buttocks in a stairwell.

"I came out to the green room, left shaking, and of course, said something to my boyfriend when I got home," she said. She said no one witnessed the incident.

Brooks told The Times that details of the long-ago incident remain sharp: She was wearing a sleeveless summer dress. And she vividly recalled feeling afraid when he grabbed her.

Brooks told someone else about the encounter long before Schwarzenegger entered politics two months ago. Her boyfriend at the time of the encounter, a Los Angeles man who spoke to The Times on condition of anonymity, confirmed that Brooks described the incident to him back then.

"I remember she came home and she was very upset," he said. "She told me about it and I said, 'Yeah, you know, movie stars, celebrities, rock stars, they're all sort of scumbags.' "

Brooks said she worked at CNN for about a year. At the time, Brooks said, she had a day job at an advertising agency and worked as an unpaid intern in the evenings at CNN. She believed the incident took place in 1982.

Matthew Furman, a spokesman for CNN, said that Schwarzenegger had appeared on a network talk show June 10, 1981 and again May 18, 1982.

Furman said CNN couldn't verify whether Brooks interned there because it did not keep records that far back on interns.

Her older sister, Joyce Brooks Bogartz of Calabasas, said Brooks interned at CNN sometime between September 1980 and September 1982.

Brooks said she related the story this year to Jodie Evans, a co-founder of the woman's peace group Code Pink, after Schwarzenegger announced his candidacy in August. After The Times reported the other women's allegations this week, Brooks said that Evans asked her if she would tell her story publicly.

Back then, she said, "I was certainly fearful of saying anything "I didn't tell my producers because he was our guest and he was a star." Now, however, "the stakes are much, much higher," she said. "It not only affects me personally, but it affects all women in California."
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sozobe
 
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Reply Sat 4 Oct, 2003 10:14 am
What this brings to mind more than Bill Clinton, for me, is Bob Packwood.
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Sofia
 
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Reply Sat 4 Oct, 2003 02:30 pm
Yeah. Packwood lost his career. Clinton skated.
The NOW has got a lot of nerve to address Arnold, when they giggled and remained stoic behind Clinton.

Plenty of CEOs lost their jobs due to sexual harrassment--while Clinton groped and fondled to his heart's (dick's) desire. There was an unbelievable precedent set for Clinton-- no one should be able to complain about sexual harrassment now... One standard should apply to all.

Why was the "This is between me and my wife" excuse OK for Clinton, and not for Packwood, Arnold...
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BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Reply Sat 4 Oct, 2003 02:42 pm
FINAL DIRT PUSH TAKES TOLL; CONCERN FOR MARIA'S HEALTH
http://www.drudgereport.com/as4.htm

XXXXX DRUDGE REPORT XXXXX SAT OCT 04, 2003 15:01:37 ET XXXXX

FINAL DIRT PUSH TAKES TOLL; CONCERN FOR MARIA'S HEALTH

A late barrage of negative reports directed at Arnold Schwarzenegger and his race to be governor of California are taking a toll on wife Maria Shriver, campaign insiders tell the DRUDGE REPORT.

"She is rail thin and has been suffering bouts of light-headed dizziness... she refuses to address it," one source said on Saturday.

One reporter covering the campaign for a local Los Angeles TV station watched as Shriver appeared on the verge of fainting backstage at a recent event.

"Her physical condition needs immediate attention," the on-air reporter, who asked not to be named, told DRUDGE.

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Photographs show Shriver stressed, yet maintaining grace under fire as accusations against her husband fly from nearly ever direction.

NEW YORK TIMES Op-Ed Queen Maureen Dowd is planning to title her upcoming Sunday column 'WIN ONE FOR THE GROPER.'

Dowd will write: "It was no surprise on Friday that Mr. S was backing off his promise to release those 'Springtime for Hitler' outtakes from George Butler's 1977 documentary "Pumping Iron." No dummy, he knew years ago his 'Nazi stuff' could be trouble. He bought up the incriminating evidence, 100 hours of histrionic interviews, for a mil, and worked with the Simon Wiesenthal Center, giving it a mil in guilt gilt."

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London's DAILY MAIL on Saturday unloaded new shocking allegations by biographer Wendy Leigh, under the headline 'DARK SIDE OF ARNIE.'

The 4,000 word story makes this week's LOS ANGELES TIMES splash on Arnold's alleged womanizing look G-rated by comparison.

"I have spoken exclusively to a woman who was subjected to a terrifying assault by Arnold when they were working together on one of his films," Leigh writes.

Leigh does not name the woman, "as she still works in Hollywood and is petrified of repercussions."

"'I worked on a film with Arnold in the years after his marriage to Maria Shriver,' Leigh quotes the woman as saying. "'We were in the studio and he followed me into the women's toilets.

"'It was scary as he is such a big, tall man. He grabbed me from behind and picked me up off the ground -- I was airborne. He wanted to have sex with me. He said: 'Come on, let's do it. You know how much I want you. I want to feel your t**s and see if they are real.' He clamped his hand on one and wouldn't let go. He had his arms around me. I kept saying: 'No, no, no.' I was trying to get away from him, and he was trying to hold me."

The DAILY MAIL report was not to be made available online, publishing sources said.

Leigh, who wrote the 1990 book "Arnold: An Unauthorized Biography," raises publicly, for the first time, unsubstantiated claims that Arnold fathered a love child with an airline stewardess.

"'I haven't eaten or slept for two days since a reporter from the Los Angeles Times called at my door and asked me about it," the woman [named in the DAILY MAIL] tells Leigh. "'There is a picture out there and they say that my son looks like Arnold. But he looks like my husband. It is incredibly hurtful for people to be saying these things about my family.'"

Leigh, refusing to stand down, closes her story by adding: "On Monday, in the second part of this series, I will reveal the truth about his vicious contempt for the very fans who will be voting for him next week."

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sozobe
 
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Reply Sat 4 Oct, 2003 03:26 pm
Clinton skated? I think that's rather debatable.

And he went down (so to speak) not for the Paula Jones accusation, but for Monica Lewinsky. I don't think anyone's contesting that was consensual? Beyond Paula Jones, I can only think of Gennifer Flowers, and that was again consensual.

In terms of NOW, when I was trying to refresh my memory about accusations of sexual harassment against Clinton, I came across this:

Quote:
"Judge Susan Webber Wright's ruling dismissing Paula Jones' complaint against Bill Clinton certainly gives lie to the right-wing charge that anti-discrimination laws have gone too far. And it shoots down the tired complaint that a man can't even compliment a woman at work anymore. Jones alleges that Clinton ran his hand up her thigh, exposed himself to her, asked for oral sex and pointedly reminded her of his friendship with her immediate boss. No woman should have to put up with such behavior at work. But according to the judge, even if then-Governor Bill Clinton propositioned and pawed then-state employee Paula Jones -- certainly misconduct for any employer or supervisor, Jones does not have a valid harassment claim because she could not prove that the overall result was a hostile work environment. " - Patricia Ireland, NOW President, April 2, 1998 concerning the dismissal of the Paula Jones case.


http://www.gargaro.com/1998/sexual_harassment.html

That's hardly giggling and remaining stoic.

Let me ask this... if we assume that a pattern of actual sexual harassment DID take place, should it be ignored? Is the issue that you (sofia, Craven) don't believe the allegations, or that it shouldn't matter?
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Craven de Kere
 
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Reply Sat 4 Oct, 2003 03:39 pm
ehBeth wrote:
Sexual harassment is not frivolous.


It was till the election. I presume it was less important to you before?

It was when Clinton was accused of it.

I guess it's frivolous enough to be a political tool.
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sozobe
 
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Reply Sat 4 Oct, 2003 03:51 pm
I will say that this is new to me but evidently not news... it seems that a lot, if not most, of these harassment charges were already on record before Arnold went into politics.

It's not like I have ever been a huge Arnold fan, but it does bother me that a huge stink wasn't made before it became a political issue. Boycotts of his movies/ business interests (Planet Hollywood), etc.

I have been looking for Bill Clinton stuff and not coming up with much yet, to my surprise. The Paula Jones case went to court, but she dropped it and settled.

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Paula Jones agreed to drop her sexual harassment lawsuit against President Clinton on Nov. 13 in return for $850,000 - but no apology or admission of guilt from the president.

Two weeks later, when the 8th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals dismissed the suit, it marked the conclusive end of Clinton's battle against Jones and her conservative backers. Seven months earlier, the case was dismissed by a district-court judge as having no merit, but Jones appealed.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/pjones/pjones.htm
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Craven de Kere
 
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Reply Sat 4 Oct, 2003 04:16 pm
Did you support the call to impeach Clinton for his sexual harassment and subsequent lies?
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Sat 4 Oct, 2003 04:21 pm
kinda amusing that americans can get embroiled over a politico's sex life moreso than his political talents.
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Craven de Kere
 
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Reply Sat 4 Oct, 2003 04:24 pm
Amen, political ad hominem seems to be more important than their policy.

Just as I don't care about what Clinton did I do not care about what Arnold has done. I do not want Arnold for governor because I do not want to further the Republican vicory over America. A politician's personal failings are not relevant to me unless they are failings that translate into bad policy.
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sozobe
 
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Reply Sat 4 Oct, 2003 04:36 pm
I think Arnold's failings could easily translate to bad policy.

Again, the impeachment was about Monica. I don't have the same kind of problem with consensual sex as with sexual harassment.

Is this about Arnold's sex life? Groping people in public, as they resist, knowing he could get away with it... is that about his sex life?

Would you care if he raped someone? The line is somewhere... I draw it at sexual harassment.
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