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Standing by your man: Maria (good); Hillary (bad)?

 
 
Reply Fri 3 Oct, 2003 01:17 pm
I watching Maria Schriver on TV standing by her man, Arnold, defending him against the womanizing charges against him.

I wonder how the Republicans who criticized Hillary Clinton for standing by her man will explain their hypocracy in Maria's case.

Interesting dilemma for the Republicans.

BumbleBeeBoogie
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Oct 3, 2003
Crowd Cheers Schwarzenegger Day After Damage Control Over Reports of Hitler Comment, Groping Women
By Erica Werner
Associated Press Writer

LOS ANGELES (AP) - A crowd of more than 1,000 supporters cheered for Arnold Schwarzenegger at a campaign stop Friday, a day after the actor publicly apologized for "bad behavior" toward women and said he couldn't imagine ever telling an interviewer that he admired Adolf Hitler.
New reports that the former bodybuilder had groped women and once said he admired the Nazi leader surfaced Thursday as he began a four-day campaign bus tour. Schwarzenegger's popularity had surged in the polls, and his entourage was met by cheering crowds, but the focus had shifted to his past.

Stories by ABC News and The New York Times said the actor told an interviewer during the filming of the bodybuilding documentary "Pumping Iron" in 1975 that he admired Hitler's rise to power from humble beginnings.

Schwarzenegger, with wife Maria Shriver at his side, told a late-night news conference Thursday that he didn't recall making the remarks.

"I don't remember any of those comments because I always despise everything that Hitler stood for," Schwarzenegger said, calling the Nazi leader a "disgusting villain."

Hours before the reported comments about Hitler surfaced Thursday, Schwarzenegger addressed allegations in the Los Angeles Times, which reported the claims of six women who accused him of sexually harassing and groping them between 1975 and 2000.

"Yes, it is true that I was on rowdy movie sets and I have done things that were not right, which I thought then was playful but now I recognize that I offended people," Schwarzenegger said. "Those people that I have offended, I want to say to them I am deeply sorry."

The San Diego Union-Tribune, which endorsed Schwarzenegger last week, said in an editorial Friday that the allegations raise serious questions and urged him to more fully address the complaints.

At his first campaign stop Friday, in Arcadia, the Republican actor made no reference to either controversy.

He instead delivered his stump speech promises of restoring glory to California before an enthusiastic crowd of more than 1,000. Some supporters held signs reading: "Gray Davis groped me ... While reaching for my wallet."

A poll conducted early this week, before the reports surfaced, found 57 percent of voters ready to oust Davis in the Oct. 7 recall election. Schwarzenegger was the front-runner to replace Davis, with 36 percent support, followed by Democratic Lt. Gov. Cruz Bustamante, with 26 percent. The poll had a margin of sampling error of 4.8 percentage points.

The Hilter comments were reported by ABC and The New York Times, which obtained copies of an unpublished book proposal with quotes from a transcript of the 1975 interview. In the interview, Schwarzenegger allegedly said, "I admired Hitler, for instance, because he came from being a little man with almost no formal education, up to power."

He also allegedly said he wished he could experience addressing a crowd at a huge political rally.

"The feeling like Kennedy had, you know, to speak to maybe 50,000 people at one time and having them cheer, or like Hitler in the Nuremberg stadium," he said, according to the transcript. "And have all those people scream at you and just being in total agreement with whatever you say."

The author of the book proposal, "Pumping Iron" director George Butler, told ABC the quotes needed to be seen in context to be understood. The Los Angeles Times said Friday that its reporters had interviewed Butler two months ago and he had denied Schwarzenegger made such remarks.

Butler told The New York Times he stood by a recollection of Schwarzenegger playing Nazi marches and mimicking S.S. officers, but said Schwarzenegger was an immature young man involved in the bodybuilding culture of the 1970s.

Schwarzenegger campaign spokesman Sean Walsh called the story "the worst kind of political smear, the worst."

Schwarzenegger grew up in Austria where his father was a member of the Nazi Party. He has faced charges of Nazi sympathizing before but has worked hard to refute them and has donated to the Simon Wiesenthal Center, an international Jewish human rights organization.

Davis said he found Schwarzenegger's reported comments about Hitler "particularly offensive."

"I don't see how anyone can admire Adolf Hitler. Any decent American has to be offended by that phrase," Davis said in an interview broadcast on ABC's "Good Morning America" Friday.

He declined to discuss the groping allegations, saying, "The voters will determine how significant that story is."

The Los Angeles Times said none of the actor's political opponents put reporters in touch with the women and that none had come forward on their own. None had brought legal action against Schwarzenegger, the newspaper said.

During a debate Thursday among the other top replacement candidates - Schwarzenegger was absent - state Sen. Tom McClintock said he was skeptical of what he called a "last-minute character assassination." But after the debate, he said Schwarzenegger should drop out if the allegations were true.

Representatives of several women's organizations, including California NOW, said Friday they would call on the Los Angeles County district attorney's office to launch a criminal investigation into the groping allegations. They acknowledged that no formal complaints had been filed by the women cited and that the statute of limitations had passed.

Some analysts said the revelations could change voters' minds about Schwarzenegger.

"This is not just philandering or adultery - this is stuff that people get fired for pretty regularly," said Bruce Cain, a political scientist at University of California, Berkeley. "If Arnold is saying he can grope women because people on movie sets play by a different set of rules, I don't know that people will buy that."

But given the timing and other considerations, Cain said it was unclear whether the controversy would help Davis. "I have no doubt this will cost Arnold votes among women, but I don't know how men will react."
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Associated Press Writers Beth Fouhy and Alexandria Sage contributed to this story.

This story can be found at: http://ap.tbo.com/ap/breaking/MGAFL8LKCLD.html
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Fri 3 Oct, 2003 01:21 pm
Because Hitlary is a shrew.
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BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Reply Fri 3 Oct, 2003 01:23 pm
McGentrix
McGentrix, go to your room - SPANK!

BumbleBeeBoogie
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Brand X
 
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Reply Fri 3 Oct, 2003 01:34 pm
When a dress stained by Arnold in a like instance to the Bill/Monica deal is presented to Maria, then maybe your article will have a point to it as far as a Hillary comparo.
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Craven de Kere
 
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Reply Fri 3 Oct, 2003 01:41 pm
Liberals claimed Clinton's sexual dalliances were not valid issues use to attack his public service.

Those liberals should also take the same advice when they use Arnold's sex life against him.
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McTag
 
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Reply Fri 3 Oct, 2003 01:48 pm
Craven, with respect, the point BBB made was that Hillary was maligned for standing by her man, why would the same people behave differently vis-a-vis Mrs Schwartzenegger?
And, the two cases are different: Bill Clinton had a willing partner (or two), Arnie is being accused of a molestation felony.
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sozobe
 
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Reply Fri 3 Oct, 2003 01:52 pm
McTag wrote:
And, the two cases are different: Bill Clinton had a willing partner (or two), Arnie is being accused of a molestation felony.


I agree. I think that's an important distinction.
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eoe
 
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Reply Fri 3 Oct, 2003 01:58 pm
I do too, soz. Can you imagine some big ol' thing like Schwarzenneger cornering you, actually putting his hands on you and threatening to undress you? Might be a thrill for some but it sounds pretty scary to me. The fact that he IS such a big man makes it even scarier and I can't believe that he doesn't realize the additional physical threat he carries. What a pig.
She begged him not to run. Now we know why. She knew this was coming.
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Craven de Kere
 
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Reply Fri 3 Oct, 2003 02:02 pm
McTag,

The point that the article made about duplicity is ironically lost on the author.

I find it alogether too convenient that the mere accusation is being trumped up.

Clinton's acts were proven. Arnold's weren't. In the quest to find a hold to drag Arnold down (BTW, I dislike him) you are using the criteria that is convenient to you.

Arnold will not be convicted of a felony. These accusations ARE politically motivated.

Liberals DID cry foul when politically motivated attacks on Clinton's sex life occured.

So what do the less intelligent of the liberals do?

Why they go and attack Arnold for it and have the daft blindness to also seek to point out duplicity.

Irony, sheer irony.

Sozobe,

Do you think a distinction like whether the accusations are true or whether they are pre-election smears is important?
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eoe
 
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Reply Fri 3 Oct, 2003 02:07 pm
Arnold pretty much admits that he's been a pig, Craven. He apologized yesterday for his "bad behavior" towards women.
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Fri 3 Oct, 2003 02:07 pm
He admits it, and there are some photos.
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BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Reply Fri 3 Oct, 2003 02:28 pm
Reminder: standing by her man
A reminder to all who tend to wander away from the topic of my post. It's about a wife standing by her man. According to Republicans, Maria is noble for standing by Arnold while Hillary is not for her standing by Bill.

BumbleBeeBoogie
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Craven de Kere
 
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Reply Fri 3 Oct, 2003 02:30 pm
Arnold admitted to having offended people. He admitted to having acted in "inappropriate" ways.

So did Clinton. Heck DNA proved it.
The differentiating criteria proposed here was that Arnold commited a felony.

Are you suggesting that Arnold has admitted to this felony?

And do you think Arnold's treatment of women is relevant while Clinton's treatment of women was not?
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Craven de Kere
 
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Reply Fri 3 Oct, 2003 02:32 pm
BBB,

It's about an accusation of duplicity. I alledge duplicity on your part and on the part of anyone who opined that Clinton's sex life should not be fodder for political attacks while using Arnold's sex life as fodder for political attacks. This IS related.

I find the accusation of duplicity while being duplicitous to be both duplicitous and ironic.
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willow tl
 
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Reply Fri 3 Oct, 2003 02:38 pm
What bothers me is the time frame we are talking about...if his (Arnold's) actions were felonious..why wait until now to accuse him...I am no repulican..but this is silly...
I think good and bad is irrelevant...Clinton was married at the time of his infidelities...I think Hillary stood by him more for political reasons than anything else...I find women who do this sad...lacking in self respect..
but she should not be vilified either..we all make choices..
Surely there are other points to focus on than peoples Sex lives...
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Fri 3 Oct, 2003 02:42 pm
Because it suits his political opponents to drag him through the mud. Just like most politicians are prone to do.
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roger
 
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Reply Fri 3 Oct, 2003 02:47 pm
Oh, now, some of Clinton's accusers waited a while to accuse him too.
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willow tl
 
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Reply Fri 3 Oct, 2003 02:48 pm
I agree Roger....proves the point ....we need to stop the madness...lol
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au1929
 
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Reply Fri 3 Oct, 2003 02:59 pm
It's politics and what is good for the goose is good for the gander. The republicans would use the same tactics if the situation were reversed. There is no nobility in politics.
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eoe
 
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Reply Fri 3 Oct, 2003 03:00 pm
Maria did not want him to run for office. According to reports, she begged him not to do it. When you're married to a womanizer, nine times out of ten, you know it.
Has she been proclaimed noble in just the last 24 hours? How silly. She looks foolish now, just like Hillary did, just like Kobe's little wife. One can only hope, for her sake, that she can turn her world around after this like Mrs Clinton.
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