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SHUD THE CAPTAIN BE RANSOMED FROM PIRATES ?

 
 
dyslexia
 
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Reply Mon 13 Apr, 2009 05:58 pm
@edgarblythe,
edgarblythe wrote:

http://www.dailykostv.com/
Check out the Fox treatment of the crisis while ongoing.
kinda fun watching the wing-nuts swinging in the breeze.
farmerman
 
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Reply Tue 14 Apr, 2009 05:50 am
@dyslexia,
"Teabaggin the Whitehouse" he he he
spendius
 
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Reply Tue 14 Apr, 2009 07:56 am
The general policy is to get you to over-react. The wild spokespersons for others to go in hard, not themselves of course, are their allies.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 14 Apr, 2009 10:43 am
@farmerman,
What's real funny about the "teabagging" is that they didn't make a peep with Bush spent billions, and they said "yea."
farmerman
 
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Reply Tue 14 Apr, 2009 12:32 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Im laughing at the "urban" connotation of the phrase teabagging.

Im really a juvenile in a 58 year old body.
spendius
 
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Reply Tue 14 Apr, 2009 12:59 pm
@farmerman,
Gee!! I thought you were going on 90 effemm. Your science is a bit old-fashioned I'm inclined to think. Science is now for getting everyone on the sofa watching science programmes with voiceovers which sound like someone doing the funeral rites over a little girl's pet rabbit. Condescending is a poor word to express the general tone. As well it might be as very few understand them but just enjoy associating themselves with reverent tones, church music, high hopes, the colour and the movement and the undoubted social cachet which goes with the big words and grand concepts and which lends itself to invidious comparisons with those ignorant fellows who watch the football and cricket and go out boozing every night meeting people from all across, well nearly, the cultural and intellectual spectrum.

It must be your totalitarian Jesuit education one aspect of which you are trying to throw off. The least important one.

The Urban dictionary has a few definitions of the word. Which one are you using? A couple of them sound pretty good to me.
farmerman
 
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Reply Tue 14 Apr, 2009 01:00 pm
@spendius,
Quote:
Your science is a bit old-fashioned I'm inclined to think
When were you ever so inclined?
spendius
 
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Reply Tue 14 Apr, 2009 03:06 pm
@farmerman,
Are you really attempting to assert that my last post was composed by someone who hasn't figured out how to think yet?
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 14 Apr, 2009 03:32 pm
@spendius,
He doesn't have to assert anything when it concerns you.
spendius
 
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Reply Tue 14 Apr, 2009 04:30 pm
@cicerone imposter,
You mean he volunteered then?
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tenderfoot
 
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Reply Wed 15 Apr, 2009 11:48 pm
@farmerman,
I told Spendiouse I preferred Alice in wonderland to his bible, now his mob are stealing Alice's tea party idea.
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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Thu 16 Apr, 2009 07:56 am
@edgarblythe,
edgarblythe wrote:

They essentially said that Obama was too big a wuss and that he was busy botching the whole thing. Afraid to use force, negotiating when he should not. "Bring in Marines?" one says in mock horror.

It's just this simple: most of us are pleased to see that he didn't act like a wuss. He seems to have acted correctly. Good.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 16 Apr, 2009 08:18 am
@Brandon9000,
Brandon9000 wrote:

edgarblythe wrote:

They essentially said that Obama was too big a wuss and that he was busy botching the whole thing. Afraid to use force, negotiating when he should not. "Bring in Marines?" one says in mock horror.

It's just this simple: most of us are pleased to see that he didn't act like a wuss. He seems to have acted correctly. Good.

I have no complaint against Obama in this matter.





David
farmerman
 
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Reply Mon 22 Jun, 2009 05:19 am
@OmSigDAVID,
Im amazed at how the actual piracy event transpired. We had , originally,been given a highly modified abridged version that focused on the heroism of the captain and the action of the SEALS.

Actually, The crew of the ship had NEVER turned over any control of the ship to the pirates and the captain was a pawn of a frantic plot hatched by the pirates to salvage some kind of booty from the event(apparently) The captain was not even a real decision maker . It appears that the chief engineer and several of the uncaptured memebers of the crew had wrested all control of the ship from a "safe room" which left the pirates with very little hey could do. SO they took the captain and tried to make a run to shore. The Navy intercepted using the BAinbridge as a barrier and kept the life boat from reaching port (although they did make it to 25 miles off shore).
The events that then occured were totally in the hands of the NAvy and they seemigly had an entire procedure that the follow, including using a helicopter downdraft to prevent the boat from steering. The rules of engagement were then ramped up because they had the pirates in view. SO with approval of Washington, the Seals took out the three pirates.

It wasnt as much an unfolding event as the news had informed us. It was a set procedure involving
information gathering and analysis

Attempts at negotiations

Response to negotiation scenarios

Deadly force.

The USS BAinbridge was ordered to overtake and control the situation on Thurs PM after the event ws ongoing for almost 2 days. It was just out of the Gulf of Aden and needed to steam about 20 hours to the container ship

The thing that controlled all the action wasnt anything that Washington did or did not do, it was mostly due to the sea distances that they were dealing with, the assets available for interdiction , and a 30 knot speed of the BAinbridge.

What the show on Discovery presented , was the role that the crew played in maintaining control of the ship and NEVER turning it over to any pirate. The entire issue was to rescue the captain since they couldnt control the ship at all (it was being controlled by a duplicate ops center in the safe room. The crew had a prearranged set of signals that kept the ship out of pirate hands. The point is, had the crew not taken command, and merely submitted to the pirate orders to assemble in the bridge, they could have steamed to Somalia and beaten the BAinbridge to shore. Then it would have been an entire crew AND a ship being held for ransom and wed look especially powerless.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 22 Jun, 2009 09:21 am

Its not a good idea
to co-operate with criminals.
farmerman
 
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Reply Mon 22 Jun, 2009 11:30 am
@OmSigDAVID,
Thats the point, noon did in this case. The news just was doing its usual job of mireorting most of the fcats and the righties were , seeing some silly opportunity to dump on Obama, brought thePresident in when all his JCoS did was to authorize the use of force when the lifeboat was already hauled up and tethered to the Bainbridge.
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