@farmerman,
"farmerman" wrote:
Quote: or r only the victims prohibited ?
Quote:The ships are not allowed munitions with the exception of lightweapons on the bridge.
Oil tankers cannot risk fires caused by gunfights.
Admittedly, I wallow in ignorance, qua whether an AK 47 (7.62mmX39mm ammo)
can penetrate to the oil thru its containing tank,
nor do I know whether thay will cause fires.
I was not considering use of
incendiary ammo.
I don t see that
incendiary ammo will help either pirates or victims.
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This is a rather recent condition so its apparent that the shipping lines
havent thought it out well enough. Perhaps they will modify their regs.
NOBODY wants someone to shoot an RPG into a tanker and possibly starting a fire.
Agreed; if the pirates did that from their pirate ships,
thay 'd reap no bounty from their booty; just make a mess.
R thay supposed to put up a black flag with white skull n crossbones ?
Is that a breech of ethics, if thay don 't ?
Thay r supposed to sing n dance, right ?
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So, in answer to your attempted humorous question, yes,
apparently only the pirates carry incendiary weapons
Farmer,
it had not occurred to me to consider
incendiary weapons; have thay been used ?
I dispute that thay r a good choice, in the circumstances.
Quote: Will u reveal the source of that duty ?
Quote:When the first tanker was waylaid last year,
the Wash Post had an article about the employment contracts .
Presumably NO WEAPONS on board was a policy of the ship owners
and the shipping companies and the oil "clients
R u referring to miscellaneous personal weapons of crew members?
If u look above,
u will see the following:
Quote:
The mariners have not signed onto a "no negotiations" pact
when they sign on.
Does that mean that their employers
HAVE a duty to bargain,
for lack of a waiver ??
Will u reveal the source of that duty ?
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If u look again,
u will see that I was asking whether
(according to our favorite Farmer) the employers
HAVE a duty to bargain,
unless it has been waived ?
I (respectfully) re-new the question ?
Quote:I know that thay have shotguns on board the QE II,
because thay let me use them. I think thay r retiring that ship.
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RPGS, Ak's, and reportedly (at least one incident) of a stinger or two? I think not.
I take it that u mean
the
victims being thusly armed?
I don t favor RPGs, in these circumstances.
There is nothing rong with the victims being defensively armed
with AKs, nor with other automatic weapons.
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A cruise liner and a steamer, in the past, have used fire hoses
to successfully deter pirates.
Necessity (or desperation) is the mother of invention.
Ingenuity is the father.
In Columbine H.S., defensively minded teenagers prepared to use
folded metal chairs to slug the murderers; I suspect that thay 'd have preferred to have guns.
(If I had been one of the survivors, I 'd have demanded of the principal courses in defensive use of fireams.)
I 'd
not prefer to need to rely on
hoses or metal
chairs
to save my life from predatory violence.
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That was then, this is now, the piracy industry is operating with an entirely new business plan.
IF we negotiate and then take them out by refusing them landing and hunting them down,
that will send a message that there is no future in this.
Point of Information ?
If thay demand
cash and
amnesty,
will it be our plan to dishonor our word ?
What is our strategy here ?
(I 'm just asking.)
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Criminals operate on an assumption that they wont get caught.
If we use deep V hulled speed boats and cutter like (SafeBoats)
armed to the teeth and in sufficient numbers, each supported by
several " marine servants" tenders , this would drive the pirates
out to deeper water where we could divvy up the responsibilities
among several nations and make a turkey shoot out of it.
I see that u r much better nautically informed than I am.
I am just a land lover
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The life boat that they are in is a "drop boat" that sits astern
in a series of slide davits and the boats are these fully hooded
orange boats with space for about 50 people. Its very hot out
there and the pirates have gotta be wilting (as is our captain).
Negotiations are being carried out (presumably) because noone
can really see into the life boat, so if they open fire on it, itsd be
like a firing squad and we might as well kiss off the US captain.
This is true.
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Im not ready to go postal like you are. If all things are even and
we knew more about the interior of the lifeboat, we could use something like a sniper team, BUT,
as is, they have no actual target except the boat itself.
Yes; sniping is not an option, in this case.
We
CAN starve them out.
I still hold my concept of having
SEALS board them,
hopefully, with MP5 KA4s.
It shoud not be too hard to distinguish between the pirates n the Captain.
David
