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Native American Customs - Help Needed

 
 
Tex-Star
 
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Reply Thu 23 Jan, 2003 02:49 pm
Hi Wondercooky, I've often wondered why there are no Native Americans on these threads, you are the first I've met. Enjoyed your posts.

I am part Cherokee, Choctaw, probably others, and my ancestors reach back to early 1800s here in US. So many Europeans intermarried with Indian, particularly the Irish. Our English/Cherokee great-great grandfather married a Choctaw girl named Mariara and their descendants are spread over the entire south. If only I could reach into their souls and tell some of those stories.

I appear as Indian, I guess, people say so, but I know it's there. Pretty much lived an ordinary life attending college, becoming a writer, retiring. It's only in the past 10 years that those Indian ways have reached up and out of me. People think I'm some sort of "horse whisperer" because I'm kind to animals, which is all it takes to calm anything or anybody. Still tear around on my horse in my 60's.

Happiness to you, but since you have all that stuff and not even in a teepee. Ha. Stick around. I've read a lot of Indian history and, as you say, each tribe (and so many!) were different in how they lived and what they lived in. Those who lived in teepees no doubt migrated from one section of the country to another, depending on weather and hunting. Mostly, though, Indians seemed to live in "lodges" and very comfortably. I think the first white settlers were jealous of the Indian's mink coats, buffalo robes, beautiful doe skin shirts & dresses, jewelry. What a motely bunch they must have been, homeless in the wilds.
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Piffka
 
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Reply Thu 23 Jan, 2003 07:08 pm
WonderCookie -- I will keep you in mind Very Happy for next time I make it to eastern Oregon. It's beautiful country there, I'd love to see it again!

I'm really sorry to hear about that fire burning your house. What a horrible shock that must have been. At least you had each other.... yep.

Being from Washington and knowing a little of the history, I always thought the Columbia River peoples must have hated all the dams ruining the great fishing areas. Such an irreversible construction... and always in the best spots for fishing on the river it seemed. Is the petroglyph, She Who Watches, important to the Warm Springs or was that just the Yakimas? That petroglyph reminded me of Spider Woman who taught the Navajo how to weave.
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nelsonn
 
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Reply Sat 25 Jan, 2003 10:16 pm
I believe Parkman mentions amputation of finger joints as a aign of mourning, but I can't remember the details.
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Tex-Star
 
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Reply Sun 26 Jan, 2003 09:36 am
Native American customs
Hi Nelsonn, welcome to A2K. You are right. It has been the custom of other people in times past to create pain in themselves in order to have reason to wail, tear their hair, etc. Maybe it brings the inner pain to the outside so it can be dealt with.

When the English visited these lands, after returning to their own country they reported that the natives they found here appeared very much like Jews, with all the rituals. I've also read that Native Americans could be the "lost tribes of Israel," but can't recall who said that.

The Mormons have some interesting teachings about American Indians, also. They claim Jesus lived among them, or was with them, teaching them. Interesting.

Tex-Star
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Wondercookie
 
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Reply Thu 13 Mar, 2003 10:04 pm
Almost forgot...!
I've been busy with a few things - namely the memorial ceremony for my grandfather, who was laid to rest on September 11th (yes, that September 11th). He served in the armed forces, and often spoke about that terrible morning when him and many of his friends were literally blasted out of bed in Pearl Harbor. Then I'm also busy quitting smoking. Yep, time to lay down that peace pipe. Actually, tobacco was used in a very different sense; never abused the way I was abusing my tobacco. I was smoking up to a pack-and-a-half a day. I quit, went crazy for about a week, and now I'm doing fine and can smell things again and taste my food. Then I've been busy trying to keep my ipaq pocket pc from going toes-up on me. It's an older model - 3650 - and it was practically taped together before I got it fixed up.

She-Who-Watches...yes, that is an important part of our people. The Warm Springs Indians are also called the Wayams. We lived and fished along the Columbia River, generally around the area known as Celilo Falls. In 1957, the gates of the Dalles Dam were dropped and it took six hours for the water to flood Celilo Falls. The fish there were so plentiful that tribal fishermen only needed dip nets to supply their families with fish. This was an awesome sight - I've seen pictures and have heard the stories, being an oral history technician for my tribe. The roar of the falls was deafening. Many people - both Native Americans and non-Indians - gathered on the hills surrounding the falls that fateful day to watch it vanish. When it was done, there was an awesome silence like none ever heard on the Columbia River. That roar, which had been a constant through most of the Native American's lives, was gone. Can you imagine how this must have felt? Imagine, if you live near a busy highway, waking up one morning to the sound of utter silence. Or imagine waking up in the city and hearing no traffic. It must have been very spooky! Anyway, the Wayams were a part of the Ichishkin speaking band of Indians. Yakama (changed from the spellnig of the city, Yakima) is also Ichishkin. We speak the same language, Sahaptin. Although if a person from Warm Springs journeys to Yakama today, we have a strange accent to them while speaking Sahaptin, and vice-versa. So yes, She-Who-Watches is a very important part of our culture. There is a project in effect now, in fact, to do some construction around Horsethief Park where the petroglyph is. Our tribe is in on this project, as is Yakama. Protective measures are being taken to keep this site as safe as possible.

I wanted to post a reply here, because I've read all of the wonderful comments! It's truly uplifting. Sometimes I forget that people are curious about Native American culture, because I live and work on a reservation. And being Native American today, I have to know about non-Indian culture and history as well as the history of my own people. I'm glad to pass any information along, so long as you give me an outlet to plug in my pocket pc! Very Happy

Here's something I'll offer you today...how about a recipe? This one is fry bread, a family recipe. There are variations to it, some people use self-rising flour, some people sprinkle in some powdered milk. Almost everybody argues that their grandmother's fry bread is the best in the world. Every tribe argues that they're the people who invented fry bread. There are no special ingredients in my version. I grew up, like many other Natives, very poor. But I learned how to make it work.

2 cups flour
2 teaspons of baking powder
1 1/2 cup warm water (about)
1 teaspoon salt
1 egg (optional)
2 cups of vegetable oil

Mix the flour, baking powder and salt together in a bowl. If you want to use the egg, scramble it in a separate bowl. Add the egg and the water, adding most of the water at once while stirring and slowly trickling in the remaining water. You want the dough to be soft and wet, not as hard as biscuit dough. This dough should be sticky and when you give it a good stir with a spoon it should stick to the spoon when you pull it out. You may not have to add all of the water, it depends on what type of flour you use (I normally used Government Commodity flour, which required a lot of water). It may seem like it's too sticky to work with, but trust me. Put the dough mixture into the refrigerator for at least a half-hour. The longer you keep it in there, the better. I would even recommend making the dough on Friday night and surprising your family with breakfast fry bread.

When you're ready to make your bread, heat the oil over medium-high heat. Leave the dough in the bowl. Run the kitchen faucet on low, wet your hands, and then grab a handful of dough. It'll be easier to work with when your hands are wet. Quickly flatten out the ball of dough between your hands and stretch it into a thin circular sheet. Some people (including myself) poke a hole into the center of the dough before the next step. This helps to keep the fry bread flat - otherwise a huge bubble will form in the center. Sometimes the bubble is good, though. Carefully lay the dough into the hot oil and watch the magic! Turn when golden brown, drain on paper towels, and serve.

You can serve fry bread with jam, butter, cinnamon & sugar, or just plain. For something fantastic, add diced jalapeno peppers to the flour mixture before you add the water to the dough. Fry as usual, and serve with chili or stew. That's where you might want that huge bubble in the center, hehehe. Please be careful with the hot oil - I learned the hard way, and today I only cook fry bread on the back burner.

With fry bread, you can also make an Indian Taco, no kidding! This is a huge, satisfying meal so you might want to consider making the bread for these a little smaller. Put your cooked fry bread on a plate, top it with either chili or refried beans, add some lettuce, tomatoes, onions, grated cheese, olives, salsa, sour cream, mushrooms, whatever you may like. Eat it with a fork and a knife - it's sinfully delicious!

Axwaimatash Anch'a Q'inuta!
See you (all) later!
Duran Bobb
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LarryBS
 
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Reply Thu 13 Mar, 2003 10:23 pm
Thanks wondercookie - welcome to A2k.
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Merry Andrew
 
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Reply Thu 13 Mar, 2003 10:46 pm
Terrific post, wondercookie! Welcome!

I know the area of which you speak. Spent some time in the Tri-cities area right after Sept. 11, 2001 and did some driving around. Awesome scenery.
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Tex-Star
 
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Reply Fri 14 Mar, 2003 02:38 pm
WonderCookie, thanks for answering all our posts. Yes, please, the Native American needs to educate him/her self about this entire world, along with study of their own people, of course. As a writer/reporter I recall writing an article about how college education, regardless of where, is free for Native Americans. This was several years ago, is it true today?

Perhaps you don't know, but most of the world's peoples would enjoy immensely communication from Native Americans. I look forward to the day when you no longer live on "reservations" but just villages, towns and cities possibly of your own making. I have read of reservations where, along with vacations on native lands, guides are available through country that would otherwise wouldn't be navigable. BTW, the story of the dams probably occured in Arizona also. Sad, but the new owners of the land needed water reserves.

I surely will try your fried bread recipe. Sounds yummy. Don't stay away. Hope your non-smoking is still successful. I quit smoking some time ago and it was extremely difficult and painful. But, I remember feeling so great, saying to myself every day, "Just think, I don't smoke anymore." I found that very exciting.

Tex-Star
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roger
 
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Reply Fri 14 Mar, 2003 02:52 pm
Tex-Star, that would be the Mormon's "Laminite Theory". Unsure of the spelling there, by the way.

Fry bread is common all across Navajo land, too. Add lettuce, tomatoe, ground beef, and salsa (as topping) and you have a Navajo Taco.
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lpandazero
 
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Reply Wed 26 Mar, 2003 08:21 pm
frybread is everywhere Very Happy I'm still learning how to make my frybread just right. I'm from Warm Springs also like WonderCookie (think that's almost right.), but right now I live in Arizona. I remember when I first came down here...it was weird, people always assumed I was Navajo or Apache or any of the others.. I was like, "no, I'm Warm Springs" and they were like "huh? what?" A lot of people down here have never heard of Warm Springs.

Its funny when I was in jr. high and end of my high school yrs and when it came to learning about Natives everyone would all look at me. I was usually the only native in the class. Always felt outta place. People asking me all these questions that I couldn't answer coz I've never done any of it since most of the time they were talkin about different people.
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Wondercookie
 
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Reply Thu 27 Mar, 2003 09:49 am
Hey!

Free college for Native Americans? Hmmmm...I missed that one. Wound up paying for most of it myself, hehe. No seriously, college is free to Native Americans, but on our reservation it's free only because it's provided by the tribes. See, my tribes own several enterprises (a vacations resort, casino, hydroelectric dam, forest products industries, etc.). The revenues from these enterprises are put to use in a lot of good ways; in this case, they're used to send tribal members to college. That's how a college education is "free" on my reservation.

Our reservation is a sovereign nation. We're allowed self-government, we're able to establish our own laws. This land was a small, tiny little corner of the 10-million plus acres that we used to roam. Today we have just over 640,000 acres of reservation, established by the Treaty of 1855. On our reservation, we do have "villages". There's the Agency District (Wasco), the Seekseequa District (Paiute) and the Simnasho District (Warm Springs/Wayam/Taix/Sahaptin).

On the Warm Springs Indian Reservation, it's illegal for any non-tribal member to set foot off of the main roads, unless they're accompanied by a tribal member. It's illegal for a non-tribal member to remove plants, rocks, artifacts, dirt, etc. off of the reservation. I don't know of any tribal members on our reservation who provide guided tours through the reservation. I knew of a fishing guide who would take folks out on fishing excursions...but this didn't go over very well with the tribal membership and was eventually discontinued.

A fellow Springer? In here? Hey! Niix pachwai! Wanishaash Duran Bobb. Isht Nashwa Myrna Frankmi...mi tilla, atwai Delbertmi awapap wanichi Myrna! I hope you're safe and happy there and life is treating you kind! Come back and visit someday!

Axwai
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roger
 
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Reply Thu 27 Mar, 2003 09:59 am
You got tough regulations up there, Wondercookie. On the Big Rez (Navajo) there are only some select areas for which you need guides, and they are available.

For what it's worth, tuition - but not books - used to be free to Native Americans at state colleges in Colorado. That may still be true, though I don't know if state residency is a requirement or not. Anyway, it's worth looking over, even though books are definately not cheap.
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Tex-Star
 
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Reply Thu 27 Mar, 2003 07:29 pm
Roger, thanks, knew that was so at one time -- that Native Americans could attend college (tuition, yes) free. It was also free in Michigan. Maybe we should check this out. I just don't have time to join up with A2 much lately.

Wondercookie, that's neat, two of you here.

Tex-Star
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lpandazero
 
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Reply Thu 27 Mar, 2003 07:49 pm
I had to pay for most of my college education...now I'm paying back student loans which suck but its cool. I was gonna go through the tribe but they said I needed to go back up and do some stuff. Also it was suppose to be I think it was 60 days before your start date. I was scheduled to start in less than a month so I just ditched it and went through what finanical aid I could get. Next time I'll go through them.
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Wondercookie
 
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Reply Fri 28 Mar, 2003 09:38 am
Free college in Colorado? Wow! That would be worth the move, you know? I wonder if it's just for Natives from Colorado...or any federally recognized tribe?

I went through the tribe, got financial aide, and worked part-time to concentrate on my studies. I was a 3.86 GPA student, and I was living on top ramen and bologna sandwiches. College wasn't very comfortable for me. I loved learning, though. Psychology was my favorite, so was English. Today I work in Anthropology, go figure, hehehe.

Still, I love what I do and wouldn't be able to do this without having gone through college. Without college, I wouldn't have the skills needed to land this job that I love. Without the job, I couldn't pay back my student loans. Geez, everthing really IS in circles, hehee.

Confused
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alamosaurus
 
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Reply Mon 21 Jul, 2003 01:36 am
Sand Creek Massacre
There was an even bloodier massacre of Shoshone the year before at
Bear River. 278 people were killed as opposed to 137 at Sand Creek,
86 at Ash Hollow in 1855, 103 at Washita in 1868 (who were the survivors
of Sand Creek), 146 at Wounded Knee in 1890, and 173 on
the Marias River in 1870.
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Merry Andrew
 
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Reply Mon 21 Jul, 2003 04:24 am
alamosaurus, welcome to A2K!
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Equus
 
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Reply Mon 21 Jul, 2003 08:48 am
Allosaurus, why do you think Bear River doesn't get the "press" that Sand Creek, Washita and Wounded Knee get?
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Merry Andrew
 
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Reply Mon 21 Jul, 2003 10:17 am
Good question, Equus. I have barely heard of the Bear River massacre, whereas Sand Creek and Washita and Wounded Knee, of course, are notorious.
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