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Grammar sanity check.

 
 
Reply Mon 9 Mar, 2009 09:31 am
Is this correct (I am pretty sure it is)...

The correct number of candles is on the cake.

The alternative would be...

the correct number of candles are on the cake.

((My understanding is that either is correct.))
 
DrewDad
 
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Reply Mon 9 Mar, 2009 09:33 am
IMO, the first is more correct, but either is acceptable.
Region Philbis
 
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Reply Mon 9 Mar, 2009 09:40 am
@DrewDad,

i think it's "are" because you're talking about more than one candle...
DrewDad
 
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Reply Mon 9 Mar, 2009 09:46 am
@Region Philbis,
No, the verb should agree with "number". (IMO)
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George
 
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Reply Mon 9 Mar, 2009 09:48 am
Call me Mr. Picky, but I believe that when the collective noun "number" is used
with "a" then it takes a plural verb, but when used with "the", it takes a singular
verb.

A number of candles are . . .
The number of candles is . . .
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djjd62
 
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Reply Mon 9 Mar, 2009 10:01 am
i are a big fan of the grammar
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Francis
 
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Reply Mon 9 Mar, 2009 10:54 am
Some stats from google:

"the correct number is" : 66 000 hits
"the correct number are" : 257 hits

"either is correct" : 21 300 hits
"either are correct" : 3 480 hits

"I are a" : 1 490 000 hits.
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Reyn
 
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Reply Mon 9 Mar, 2009 11:11 am
@Region Philbis,
Region Philbis wrote:


i think it's "are" because you're talking about more than one candle...

I would agree with RP on this one.

You could have:
"The correct type of candle is on the cake", for example.
chai2
 
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Reply Mon 9 Mar, 2009 11:38 am
@Reyn,
but then you are referring to "type" which makes it "is"

The correct answer is "is" not "are"

but of course, that depends on what the definition of "is", is.
chai2
 
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Reply Mon 9 Mar, 2009 11:40 am
@chai2,
Oh, and remember, it's not Memorial Day yet, so, don't be bringing out those white shoes just yet.
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Reyn
 
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Reply Mon 9 Mar, 2009 11:57 am
@chai2,
I was merely giving an example where one could use "is". In that situation, it said "candle".
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NickFun
 
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Reply Mon 9 Mar, 2009 01:14 pm
The correct number of candles are on the cake.

Candles = plural.
dagmaraka
 
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Reply Mon 9 Mar, 2009 01:23 pm
you people don't have a grammar police to settle this? tsk tsk. we Slovaks, do. In fact it is against the law to use bad grammar, you can be fined up to 100 EUR for that.
chai2
 
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Reply Mon 9 Mar, 2009 02:06 pm
@NickFun,
NickFun wrote:

The correct number of candles are on the cake.

Candles = plural.


number=singular
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Mon 9 Mar, 2009 02:38 pm
"Candles" is part of the prepositional phrase "of candles". The subject of the sentence is "number". The verb should agree with the subject.

The number of people is large.
Francis
 
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Reply Mon 9 Mar, 2009 02:44 pm
@DrewDad,
Indeed, that's how it should be, but who am I to tell...
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Reyn
 
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Reply Mon 9 Mar, 2009 05:42 pm
@DrewDad,
Yes, now that I rethink it, I believe you are correct. Well done. I seemed to have forgotten some of my grammar.
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Thomas
 
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Reply Mon 9 Mar, 2009 05:52 pm
@ebrown p,
"Is". The number of the verb has to match the number of the noun, and the noun you need to match is "number".

Contrast: "There are enough candles on the cake."
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Thomas
 
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Reply Mon 9 Mar, 2009 05:54 pm
@dagmaraka,
Seriously? That would make Slovaks even more authoritarian than the French. I always thought that's a tough standard to match when it comes to language.
JTT
 
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Reply Mon 9 Mar, 2009 07:52 pm
@ebrown p,
If I might, why do you consider that both are correct, ebrownp?
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