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Obama will sign spending bill despite earmarks

 
 
Reply Mon 2 Mar, 2009 12:34 pm
Ok, I said on another thread that people on the left were/are surprisingly silent on issues that they critisized Bush and/or Republicans for in the past (such as earmarks). So far I've seen Cyclops express his displeasure with this recent development (albeit a very tame, 1 sentence post).

I'm just curious if there will be any outrage to this bill like we saw with some many of Bush's and the Republican's spending bills. AND that Obama is breaking another campaign promise.

Personally, I am sick of our government spending money that we don't have. This **** is bullshit and needs to stop before my future is bankrupt. I'm not only referring to this spending bill, but the last 8/9 years where the deficit as doubled and will increase at least another 50% in the next 4 years. Enough is enough.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090302/ap_on_go_pr_wh/obama_spending

WASHINGTON " President Barack Obama will break a campaign pledge against congressional earmarks and sign a budget bill laden with millions in lawmakers' pet projects, administration officials said.

Administration budget chief Peter Orszag and White House chief of staff Rahm Emanuel both downplayed the $410 billion spending bill and signaled Obama would hold his nose and sign it.

Orszag said: "We want to just move on. Let's get this bill done, get it into law and move forward."

Said Emanuel: "That's last year's business."

The House last week passed the measure that would keep the government running through Sept. 30, when the federal budget year ends. Taxpayers for Common Sense, a watchdog group, identified almost 8,600 earmarks totaling $7.7 billion; Democrats say the number is $3.8 billion.

Either way, it is far more than Obama promised as a candidate. He refused earmarks for the economic stimulus package he championed and a children's health bill.

He similarly pledged to reject tailored budget requests that let lawmakers send money to their home states. Orszag said Obama would move ahead and overlook the time-tested tradition that lets officials divert millions at a time to pet projects.

"We want to make sure that earmarks are reduced and they're also transparent. We're going to work with the Congress on a set of reforms to achieve those," said Orszag, director of the Office of Management and Budget.

Obama's top hands assigned responsibility to their predecessors and President George W. Bush. Blaming Bush-era proposals for deficits, Obama wanted to set up his own budget that would start Oct. 1, which he proposed last week with a bold goal of cutting the deficit by half within his four-year term.

"First, this is a $1.7 trillion deficit he inherited. Let's be clear about that. We inherited this deficit and we inherited $4 trillion of new debt," Emanuel said. "That is the facts."

Facts, aides said, would be the cornerstone of the administration's public relations push. Officials faced a tough haul, even as Orszag and others said the proposal would raise taxes on wealthy Americans and increase energy costs.

Emanuel said energy costs are too low, anyway. U.S. car companies relied too long on gas-guzzling autos and failed to invest in alternative energy vehicles, he said. The time for new auto fuels is now, he contended.

"They never invested in both alternative energy cars. They got dependent on big gas guzzlers. ...They have a health care cost structure that's outdated," Emanuel said, repeating the administration's premise that health costs must come under control or else risk breaking all other pieces of the budget.

Republicans were not persuaded. Rep. Eric Cantor, the GOP's No. 2 in the House, said Obama was failing on his promises.

"Listen, I mean, the president was elected by the people of this country to institute change in Washington and to finally demand a federal government that is accountable to the people," he said. "The fact that there are 9,000 earmarks in this bill and the fact that the vetting process just doesn't take place the way it should, we ought to stand up and draw the line right now and stop the waste."

Orszag and Cantor appeared on ABC's "This Week." Emanuel spoke on CBS' "Face the Nation."

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maporsche
 
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Reply Mon 2 Mar, 2009 09:47 pm
bump
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Mon 2 Mar, 2009 10:42 pm
I gave the thread a thumbs up Maporsche, but if you don't generate any interest on this here, why don't you bring it over here:
http://able2know.org/topic/113196-233#post-3588614
to the American Conservatism in 2008 and Beyond thread.

The Modern American Conservative or (MAC) for short there is the old classical liberalism identified as:
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Classical liberalism
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Classical liberalism (also known as traditional liberalism[1], laissez-faire liberalism[2], and market liberalism[3] or, outside the United States and Britain, sometimes simply liberalism is a doctrine stressing individual freedom, free markets, and limited government. This includes the importance of human rationality, individual property rights, natural rights, the protection of civil liberties, individual freedom from restraint, equality under the law, constitutional limitation of government, free markets, and a gold standard to place fiscal constraints on government as exemplified in the writings of John Locke, Adam Smith, David Hume, David Ricardo, Voltaire, Montesquieu and others.

As such, it is the fusion of economic liberalism with political liberalism of the late 18th and 19th centuries. The "normative core" of classical liberalism is the idea that laissez-faire economics will bring about a spontaneous order or invisible hand that benefits the society, though it does not necessarily oppose the state's provision of some basic public goods with what constitutes public goods being seen as very limited. The qualification classical was applied retroactively to distinguish it from more recent, 20th-century conceptions of liberalism and its related movements, such as social liberalism Classical liberals are suspicious of all but the most minimal government and object to the welfare state.

Ludwig von Mises, Friedrich Hayek, and Milton Friedman, are credited with influencing a revival of classical liberalism in the twentieth century after it fell out of favor beginning in the late nineteenth century and much of the twentieth century. In relation to economic issues, this revival is sometimes referred to, mainly by its opponents, as "neoliberalism". The German "ordoliberalism" has a whole different meaning, since the likes of Alexander Rüüüüstow and Wilhelm Rööööpke have advocated a more interventionist state, as opposed to laissez-faire liberals. Classical liberalism has many aspects in common with modern libertarianism, with the terms being used almost interchangeably by those who support limited government.


Obviously the founders of classical liberalism that we call MAC would roll over in their graves at this appropriations bill not to mention the stimulus packages plus the unbelievable budget we're facing for next year.

I keep thinking if enough of us keep sounding the alarm, at least some of our elected leaders will shake off the fog and come to their senses.

(You don't have to identify 100% with the ideology, though I know you identify with some of it, in order to get into the discussions.)
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revel
 
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Reply Wed 4 Mar, 2009 08:57 am
Many of the claims of frivolous earmarks are not true if you trust the fact check site in relating it.

GOP Stimulus Myths

Moreover many of the so called earmarks are services which will hopefully help our economy by either providing jobs or creating jobs.

For example here is one:



Stimulus plan earmarks funding for fire service

dyslexia
 
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Reply Wed 4 Mar, 2009 09:12 am
does "earmark" = "wasteful spending?
Foxfyre
 
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Reply Wed 4 Mar, 2009 09:23 am
I heard the tail end of an early morning news cast this morning that Evan Bayh, Russ Feingold, John McCain and perhaps a few other senators are urging the President to veto the bill so that it can be revisited and stripped of the irresponsible spending measures in it. Could it be possible that some of our leaders are finally regaining their senses?
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maporsche
 
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Reply Wed 4 Mar, 2009 10:15 am
@revel,
We're not talking about the "Stimulus bill"...we're talking about the spending bill that the congress is looking at.
Foxfyre
 
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Reply Wed 4 Mar, 2009 10:35 am
@maporsche,
Catching up, I guess the Senate hasn't voted on it yet. With some of the big guns digging in their heels including those Democrat big guns, it may actually not make it to the Prsident's desk with all that pork and irresponsible spending still in it. That is problematic for the President's team because they have been beating the drum that it is Republican obstructionism causing all the problems.

If Harry Reid can't come up with 60 votes without the guys now objecting, it may get fixed. Hard to say.
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maporsche
 
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Reply Wed 4 Mar, 2009 10:38 am
@dyslexia,
When you borrow the money, usually.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Wed 4 Mar, 2009 11:45 pm
The 'queen of mean' aka the left's answer to Ann Coulter, Maureen Dowd, as does Coulter, gets it right now and then. And in this biting essay she did again. With some Democratic senators developing a backbone and regaining their common sense, there is a glimmer of hope that maybe we can begin regaining our national sanity?


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Stage of Fools
MAUREEN DOWD
Published: March 3, 2009
WASHINGTON

If only Shakespeare had known how to Twitter.

There was a bit of King Lear in the scene on the Senate floor, a stormy, solitary John McCain on “this great stage of fools,” as the Bard wrote, railing against both parties and the president in fiery speeches and rapid-fire tweets.

“He’s mad that trusts in the tameness of a wolf, a horse’s health, a boy’s love, or a whore’s oath,” the Fool told Lear.

And he’s truly mad that trusts in the promise of a presidential candidate to quell earmarks.

The 72-year-old senator who seemed hopelessly 20th century when he confessed during the campaign that he didn’t know how to use a computer or send an e-mail has now mastered the latest technology fad, twittering up a twizzard to tweak his former rival.

Before the Senate resoundingly defeated a McCain amendment on Tuesday that would have shorn 9,000 earmarks worth $7.7 billion from the $410 billion spending bill, the Arizona senator twittered lists of offensive bipartisan pork, including:

• $2.1 million for the Center for Grape Genetics in New York. “quick peel me a grape,” McCain twittered.

• $1.7 million for a honey bee factory in Weslaco, Tex.

• $1.7 million for pig odor research in Iowa.

• $1 million for Mormon cricket control in Utah. “Is that the species of cricket or a game played by the brits?” McCain tweeted.

• $819,000 for catfish genetics research in Alabama.

• $650,000 for beaver management in North Carolina and Mississippi.

• $951,500 for Sustainable Las Vegas. (McCain, a devotee of Vegas and gambling, must really be against earmarks if he doesn’t want to “sustain” Vegas.)

• $2 million “for the promotion of astronomy” in Hawaii, as McCain twittered, “because nothing says new jobs for average Americans like investing in astronomy.”

• $167,000 for the Autry National Center for the American West in Los Angeles. “Hopefully for a Back in the Saddle Again exhibit,” McCain tweeted sarcastically.

• $238,000 for the Polynesian Voyaging Society in Hawaii. “During these tough economic times with Americans out of work,” McCain twittered.

• $200,000 for a tattoo removal violence outreach program to help gang members or others shed visible signs of their past. “REALLY?” McCain twittered.

• $209,000 to improve blueberry production and efficiency in Georgia.

“When do we turn off the spigots?” Senator McCain said in his cri de coeur on the Senate floor. “Haven’t we learned anything? Bills like this jeopardize our future.”

In one of his disturbing spells of passivity, President Obama decided not to fight Congress and live up to his own no-earmark pledge from the campaign.

He’s been lecturing us on the need to prune away frills while the economy fizzles. He was slated to make a speech on “wasteful spending” on Wednesday.

“You know, there are times where you can afford to redecorate your house and there are times where you need to focus on rebuilding its foundation,” he said recently about the “hard choices” we must make. Yet he did not ask Congress to sacrifice and make hard choices; he let it do a lot of frivolous redecorating in its budget.

He reckons he’ll need Congress for more ambitious projects, like health care, and when he goes back to wheedle more bailout billions, given that A.I.G. and G.M. and our other corporate protectorates are burning through our money faster than we can print it and borrow it from the ever-more-alarmed Chinese.

Team Obama sounds hollow, chanting that “the status quo is not acceptable,” even while conceding that the president is accepting the status quo by signing a budget festooned with pork.

Obama spinners insist it was “a leftover budget.” But Iraq was leftover, too, and the president’s trying to end that. This is the first pork-filled budget from a new president who promised to go through the budget “line by line” and cut pork.

On “Face the Nation” on Sunday, Obama’s chief of staff, Rahm Emanuel, dismissed the bill as “last year’s business,” because most of it was written last year.

But given how angry Americans are, watching their future go up in smoke, the bloated bill counts as this year’s business.

It includes $38.4 million of earmarks sponsored or co-sponsored by President Obama’s labor secretary, Hilda Solis; $109 million Hillary Clinton signed on to; and $31.2 million in earmarks sought by Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood with colleagues.

(Even Barack Obama was listed as one of the co-sponsors of a $7.7 million pet project for Tribally Controlled Postsecondary Vocational Institutions until he got his name taken off last week.)

And then there are the 16 earmarks worth $8.5 million that Emanuel put into the bill when he was a congressman, including money for streets in Chicago suburbs and a Chicago planetarium.

Blame it on the stars, Rahm, or on old business. But as Shakespeare wrote in “Lear”: “This is the excellent foppery of the world, that, when we are sick in fortune " often the surfeits of our own behavior " we make guilty of our own disasters, the sun, the moon, and the stars.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/04/opinion/04dowd.html?_r=1
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revel
 
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Reply Mon 9 Mar, 2009 07:37 am
Pardon for my earlier mistake.

If there are frivolous earmarks they should be talked about in a reasonable manner and pulled out. This whole notion of "twitter" is just so juvenile and does not bring the right attitude to the very serious problem we are all facing with this economic crises. Instead of twittering, bring some alternative solutions to the table to be discussed. Obama seems willing to listen to all sides. But so far I haven't heard any other solutions, just a bunch of 'twittering.' (I hate it when a new word get passed around, it gets done to death.)

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OMAHA, Neb. " Billionaire Warren Buffett said unemployment will likely climb a lot higher depending upon how effective the nation's policies are, but he remains optimistic over the long term.

Buffett said the nation's leaders need to support President Barack Obama's efforts to repair the economy because fear is dominating Americans' behavior and the economy has basically followed the worst-case scenario he envisioned.

"It's fallen off a cliff," Buffett said Monday during a live appearance on CNBC. "Not only has the economy slowed down a lot, but people have really changed their habits like I haven't seen."

Buffett said the changes are reflected in the results of Berkshire Hathaway Inc.'s subsidiaries. He said Berkshire's jewelry companies have suffered, but more people have been willing to switch to Geico to save money on car insurance.

He predicted that unemployment will likely climb a lot higher before the recession is done, but he also reiterated his optimistic long-term view: "Everything will be all right. We do have the greatest economic machine that's ever been created."

Fear and confusion have been driving consumer and investor behavior in recent months, Buffett said.

The nation's leaders need to clear up the confusion before anyone will become more confident, and he said all 535 members of Congress should stop the partisan bickering about solutions.

Buffett said he believes patriotic Republicans and Democrats will realize the nation is engaged in an economic war.

"What is required is a commander in chief that's looked at like a commander in chief in a time of war," Buffett said.

Whatever the government does to help the economy will likely benefit some people who made poor financial decisions, but Buffett said Americans should realize that everyone is in the same boat.

"The people that behaved well are no doubt going to find themselves taking care of the people who didn't behave well," Buffett said.

A little over a week ago, Buffett released his annual letter to shareholders describing the worst of his 44 years at the helm of Berkshire. The Omaha, Neb.-based company reported sharply lower profit because of its largely unrealized $7.5 billion investment and derivative losses.

Overall, Berkshire's 2008 profit of $4.99 billion, or $3,224 per Class A share, was down 62 percent from $13.21 billion, or $8,548 per share, in 2007.

Berkshire's fourth-quarter numbers were even worse. Buffett's company reported net income of $117 million, or $76 per share, down 96 percent from $2.95 billion, or $1,904 per share, a year earlier.

Buffett said he doesn't regret writing an editorial last fall encouraging people to buy U.S. stocks, but he joked that in hindsight he wishes he'd waited a few months to publish the piece. Since that editorial appeared on Oct. 17, the Dow Jones industrial average has fallen from 8,852.22 to close at 6,626.94 on Friday.

Buffett stands by his overall advice that over time owning stocks will be better than so-called safe investments.

"Overall, equities are going to do far better than U.S. government bonds at these prices," he said.

Buffett said he doesn't regret investing $8 billion of Berkshire's money in investment bank Goldman Sachs Group Inc. and conglomerate General Electric Co. last fall. Both companies gave Berkshire preferred shares paying 10 percent interest that Buffett said he doesn't think he could get now.

Berkshire owns a diverse mix of more than 60 companies, including insurance, furniture, carpet, jewelry, restaurants and utility businesses. And it has major investments in such companies as Wells Fargo & Co. and Coca-Cola Co.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090309/ap_on_bi_ge/buffett_economy


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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Mon 9 Mar, 2009 04:54 pm
http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/3-8-09littlegrayRGB20090309125507.jpg
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Wed 11 Mar, 2009 04:28 pm


So far... PrezBO's performance is disappointing and he is a huge international embarrassment.

We can only hope he will change for the better with time.
dyslexia
 
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Reply Wed 11 Mar, 2009 05:05 pm
Vitter,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
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revel
 
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Reply Thu 12 Mar, 2009 06:14 am
@H2O MAN,
I imagine he is an embarrassment for you. However, it seems the majority of the country disagrees.

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Obama’s high marks
In the survey, 68 percent have a favorable opinion of the president, including 47 percent whose opinion is "very positive" " both all-time highs for Obama in the poll. Moreover, 67 percent say they feel more hopeful about his leadership and 60 percent approve of his job in the White House.

Yet the percentage of Americans who are confident that Obama has the right goals and policies for the country " 54 percent " is slightly smaller, suggesting that the president is more popular than his policies are. An example: 57 percent tend to support the stimulus, compared with 34 percent who tend to oppose it.


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29493021/#storyContinued

So the president is approved of overall by 67% of the country and 54% support his policies. That tells me that some republicans like Obama but they are republicans so they don't support his domestic agenda because they are after all, conservative republicans. Hardly an embarrassment.

His approval rating probably will come down and might of have already but the fact that he has managed to hold on to it this long during all this debate and opposition to first the stimulus and then the budget from republicans on the hill and on TV is pretty good indication that the president is not held in embarrassment by the majority of Americans.
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Thu 12 Mar, 2009 08:16 am
@revel,
revel wrote:

I imagine he is an embarrassment for you. However, it seems the majority of the country disagrees.


The majority of working Americans agree that PrezBO is a huge embarrassment to our country.
revel
 
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Reply Thu 12 Mar, 2009 11:28 am
@H2O MAN,
So you think 67% of Americans don't work?
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Thu 12 Mar, 2009 02:45 pm
@revel,


I think the vast majority of people that participate in this kind of poll don't work and don't pay taxes.
revel
 
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Reply Fri 13 Mar, 2009 08:20 am
@H2O MAN,
So if a poll came out saying a majority of Americans disapprove of President Obama, you would dismiss it and say they don't work and don't pay taxes? I'll hold you to that if you do if at some point Obama approval number start slide adn I imagine they are bound to.
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