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can someone tell me about ann coulter?

 
 
genoves
 
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Reply Thu 26 Feb, 2009 11:24 am
@djjd62,
Well, djjd62, you certainly have a right to your opinion, but, in the eyes of Presidential Historians, who have fifty times more access to documents than you do and are professionals in the field of History of our Presidents, you are dead wrong. But, you are allowed to nurture your puerile proclivities.

Note:



C-SPAN RELEASES SECOND HISTORIANS SURVEY OF PRESIDENTIAL LEADERSHIP

Abraham Lincoln Retains Top Position;

Ronald Reagan, George H.W. Bush and Bill Clinton Advance Since 2000 Survey;
George W. Bush Ranks 36th Overall By Historians

(Washington, DC, February 15, 2009) -- Timed for Presidents Day 2009, C-SPAN
today releases the results of its second Historians Survey of Presidential
Leadership, in which a cross-section of 65 presidential historians ranked the
42 former occupants of the White House on ten attributes of leadership.

As in C-SPAN's first such survey, released in 2000, Abraham Lincoln received
top billing among the historians, just as the nation marks the bicentennial of
his birth. George Washington placed second, while spots three through five were
held by Franklin D. Roosevelt, Theodore Roosevelt, and Harry Truman, in that
order.

Based on the results of historians surveyed, George W. Bush received an overall
ranking of 36. Among other recent Presidents, Bill Clinton who was ranked 21 in
the 2000 survey, advanced six spots in 2009 to an overall ranking of 15; Ronald
Reagan moved from 11 to 10; George H.W. Bush went from 20 to 18, and Jimmy
Carter's ranking declined from 22 to 25.

As in 2000, C-SPAN was guided in this effort by a team of academic advisors:
Dr. Douglas Brinkley, Professor of History at Rice University; Dr. Edna Greene
Medford, Associate Professor of History, Howard University; and Richard Norton
Smith, Scholar in Residence at George Mason University. The team approved the
ten criteria, which were the same used in C-SPAN's 2000 Survey, reviewed the
list of invited participants, and supervised the reporting of the results.
Harvey C. Mansfield, William R. Kenan, Jr., Professor of Government at Harvard,
also consulted on the names of invited historians with an overall goal of
geographic, demographic, and ideological diversity.

"Bill Clinton and Ulysses S. Grant aren't often mentioned in the same sentence
- until now. Participants in the latest C-SPAN survey of presidential
historians have boosted each man significantly higher than in the original
survey conducted in 2000. All of which goes to show two things: the fluidity
with which presidential reputations are judged, and the difficulty of assessing
any president who has only just recently left office," said Richard Norton
Smith.

"As much as is possible, we created a poll that was non-partisan, judicious and
fair minded, and it's fitting that for the 200th birthday of Abraham Lincoln
that he remains at the top of these presidential rankings," noted Dr. Douglas
Brinkley. "How we rank our presidents is, to a large extent, influenced by our
own times. Today's concerns shape our views of the past, be it in the area of
foreign policy, managing the economy, or human rights. The survey results also
reinforce the idea that history is less about agreed-upon facts than about
perceptions of who we are as a nation and how our leaders have either enhanced
or tarnished that image we have of ourselves. Lincoln continues to rank at the
top in all categories because he is perceived to embody the nation's avowed
core values: integrity, moderation, persistence in the pursuit of honourable
goals, respect for human rights, compassion; those who collect near the bottom
are perceived as having failed to uphold those values," concluded Dr. Edna
Medford.



Methodology C-SPAN's academic advisors devised a survey in which participants
used a one ("not effective") to ten ("very effective") scale to rate each
president on ten qualities of presidential leadership: "Public Persuasion,"
"Crisis Leadership," "Economic Management," "Moral Authority," "International
Relations," "Administrative Skills," "Relations with Congress," "Vision/Setting
An Agenda," "Pursued Equal Justice for All," and "Performance Within the
Context of His Times."

Surveys were distributed to 147 historians and other professional observers of
the presidency, drawn from a database of C-SPAN's programming, augmented by
suggestions from the academic advisors. Sixty-five agreed to participate.
Participants were guaranteed that individual survey results remain
confidential. Survey responses were tabulated by averaging all responses in a
given category for each president. Each of the ten categories was given equal
weighting in the total scores.

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You may be able to help me, djjd62, I have done a search through the criminal code and I can find nothing under--Christian Right or Limbaugh.

The only item I was able to find was a notation that Limbaugh's syndicated program began in 1988. This is two years after Reagan left office.
djjd62
 
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Reply Thu 26 Feb, 2009 11:33 am
@genoves,
were am i wrong, the rise of reagan and the right wing christian movement are pretty well known, the success of rush limbaugh rose out of that same type movement and their subsequent hatred of clinton, and if bush sr had not been vp (again reagans fault) i bet that gwb would not have run for prez

those are the crimes (as i see them) i placed at reagans feet, i made no mention of his leadership skills, he was by all means a competent president, probably one of the most competent in the last 40 years

by the way, my opinion was put forth by a select committee of experts on my opinions, and they have infinitely more knowledge and access to information about my opinions then you do, so learn to read a post




genoves
 
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Reply Thu 26 Feb, 2009 11:39 am
It is so easy to erase the influence of Ann Coulter from the national scene. Don't buy her books. Alas, with the exception of some hard core quasi-Marxist types,her books sell very well.
DrewDad
 
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Reply Thu 26 Feb, 2009 11:44 am
@genoves,
Let's see the demographic breakdown of those who buy Coulter's books.
djjd62
 
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Reply Thu 26 Feb, 2009 11:48 am
@DrewDad,
let's see the genetic breakdown

Foxfyre
 
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Reply Thu 26 Feb, 2009 12:02 pm
@djjd62,
and
Re: DrewDad (Post 3584044)

Meaning I suppose that those who despise Coulter are superior in mind, intellect, morality, purity of thought, bloodlines, and sociopolitical ethics? Such humility is always so refreshing to see.
genoves
 
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Reply Thu 26 Feb, 2009 12:09 pm
@Foxfyre,
Foxfyre. I searched Amazon to find out if I could get any information on Coulter's books, I could not. However, I did discover that Norman Thomas was STILL selling among the left wing. Perhaps some clear thinking Democrat like Barney Frank could lead the charge in having Coulter's books banned.
genoves
 
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Reply Thu 26 Feb, 2009 12:24 pm
@djjd62,
I am happy to see that you agree that Reagan was one of the most competent presidents in the last 40 years. But, I must say that I do not see the rise of reagan and the right wing christian movement to be parallel. I do believe that presidencies and movements can exist at the same time without influencing each other greatly. Some wags pondered the rise of the Soviet Union at the same time that FDR was keeping the depression going, but, of course, they are mistaken.

But, if Clinton had not been so destructive to Hillary's campaign( again Hillary's fault) she might have become president.

I do hope that you know that such idiotic suppositions are nonsense unless they can BE PROVEN with evidence and documentation.

I am happy that your opinion was put forth by a select committee of experts on your opinions--I hope you don't mind if I ask you exactly who that committee of experts are--I linkd you with the Presidential Historians. Now you may link me with your "experts"
Foxfyre
 
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Reply Thu 26 Feb, 2009 12:28 pm
@genoves,
genoves wrote:

Foxfyre. I searched Amazon to find out if I could get any information on Coulter's books, I could not. However, I did discover that Norman Thomas was STILL selling among the left wing. Perhaps some clear thinking Democrat like Barney Frank could lead the charge in having Coulter's books banned.



You couldn't? You must have mispelled her name because I immediately pulled up the whole list here:
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_gw?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&field-keywords=Ann+Coulter&x=20&y=18

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DrewDad
 
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Reply Thu 26 Feb, 2009 12:56 pm
@Foxfyre,
Foxfyre wrote:
Meaning I suppose that those who despise Coulter are superior in mind, intellect, morality, purity of thought, bloodlines, and sociopolitical ethics? Such humility is always so refreshing to see.

Such fine reasoning skills are also refreshing.

Try not to conflate my posts with others, mkay?

Genoves stated that Coulter's books sell well among all but the Marxist set. I'd like to see him back that up, but I suspect he's talking out of his ass.
Foxfyre
 
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Reply Thu 26 Feb, 2009 01:14 pm
@DrewDad,
I don't know whether Genoves is talking out of his ass or not. Why don't you direct your complaint to him and perhaps he can clear that up for you. (I think he didn't say that though.)
DrewDad
 
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Reply Thu 26 Feb, 2009 01:22 pm
@Foxfyre,
Foxfyre wrote:
Why don't you direct your complaint to him and perhaps he can clear that up for you.

I did. And then you jumped in with some tra-la-la about "superior in mind, intellect, morality, purity of thought," etc. Which is you talking out of your ass, because I never said or implied any such thing.

Get your head out of your ass, foxy.
genoves
 
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Reply Thu 26 Feb, 2009 01:37 pm
@genoves,
Drew Dad asked for DEMOGRAPHICS--Not a list of her books. The very fact that her publisher keeps accepting her manuscripts means that she sells very well. Given that there are only 2,500 Conservatives left in the USA, the moderates must by a lot of her books!
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Thu 26 Feb, 2009 01:38 pm
@DrewDad,
DrewDad wrote:

Foxfyre wrote:
Why don't you direct your complaint to him and perhaps he can clear that up for you.

I did. And then you jumped in with some tra-la-la about "superior in mind, intellect, morality, purity of thought," etc. Which is you talking out of your ass, because I never said or implied any such thing.

Get your head out of your ass, foxy.


Did you or did you not insert demographics into the conversation? My summary included that.

You also said "Genoves stated that Coulter's books sell well among all but the Marxist set. " I believe the exact term he used was 'quasi-Marxist' which is much different.

genoves
 
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Reply Thu 26 Feb, 2009 01:42 pm
@DrewDad,
Here, Drew Dad, is a review from the kinds of people who read and admire Marx-

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RIZZOB "Rizzob" (People's Repubic of Earth) - See all my reviews

For all the hype, you know, this essay doesn't actually say all that much. The best advice in the whole thing is not to get married or believe in any sort of organized religion. The real dope is to be found in `Das Kapital' which is about as easy a read as anything by Kant. It is a must-read, I guess, since most `experts' agree that Marx, Freud & Einstein were the three most influential (white) people of the last century. I'd include Gandhi too, personally, & Mao (evil bastard, but 30 million dead does amount to an `influence').
Don't get me wrong, I dig Socialism, on a theoretical, let's never try this for real, folks, level. I'm an Anarchist myself, er, a Thoreauian Anarchist: personally I believe the best government is that which governs the least (`Walden') though I guess nowadays it should be changed to `the corporation which governs the least.' All the historical mumbo-jumbo & endless references are antiquated & anachronistic nowadays. I would recommend Spengler's `Decline of the West' for some real interesting reading about economics & the fall of `civilized society.' If I haven't stolen it from your local public library, check it out.

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djjd62
 
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Reply Thu 26 Feb, 2009 01:57 pm
@genoves,
if you can't see the rise of the christian right and the reagan years i can't help that, it's obviously your problem

as for my opinions they are what they are, i'm not going to try and justify them with boring ass crap from c-span and some douche bag historians

i'm an ass who likes shitting on politicians of all persuasions, i don't see party lines when i look at politicians i see folks who should be mocked and derided
genoves
 
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Reply Thu 26 Feb, 2009 02:11 pm
@djjd62,
I see no connection, as I said, between the christian right and the reagan years. What you must do, I am afraid, is to prove that one would not have existed without the other. I await your evidence.

If you enjoy "shitting" on politicians of all persuasions, that is indeed your right, but, if I may say so, the plentitude of politicians may lead you to become dehydrated.
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Thu 26 Feb, 2009 02:15 pm
@Foxfyre,
Foxfyre wrote:
You also said "Genoves stated that Coulter's books sell well among all but the Marxist set. " I believe the exact term he used was 'quasi-Marxist' which is much different.

You're going to get pedantic with me about Marxist vs. quasi-Marxist? Seriously?
Foxfyre
 
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Reply Thu 26 Feb, 2009 02:20 pm
@DrewDad,
Sure as long as you are going to get pedantic with somebody who was obviously exaggerating for effect.
DrewDad
 
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Reply Thu 26 Feb, 2009 02:26 pm
@Foxfyre,
Where have I argued with you about word meanings?

I'm saying, don't get snotty with me over what Djjd said. If you want to get snotty with him, that's fine, but all I said is that Genoves can't back up his loud-mouthed words with facts.
 

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