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Aliens Check Out the Earth

 
 
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sat 22 Aug, 2009 04:21 am
@rosborne979,
rosborne979 wrote:

blueprince wrote:
What are the chances of aliens coming from another Solar System, finding Earth and,
after the immense effort to travel, have nothing better to do than blow us up. Seriously.

It could be nearly 100%, we just don't know.
It's entirely possible that the vast majority of space faring species
attempt to eliminate their competition the instant they locate them.
They might justify it as necessary for their own survival, and they might be right.

Yes; thay may have plans for this real estate
that r inconsistent with our well-being.
Remember what happened to the wolves in eastern America
after the Colonists arrived.

Think of us going somewhere that we like
and remaining there, but fumigating to get rid of some annoying bugs.


Does that have anything to do with ego-centrism ?


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rosborne979
 
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Reply Sat 22 Aug, 2009 05:24 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Aliens may not even be out to capture/terraform our planet. They may not care a whit about hour planet. There's no reason to think that they don't simply seek and destroy any other species they can find. It might even be their religion to destroy any other species they encounter. There are even good reasons to think that extermination of any other species is the most logical action for survival of any given species. It could be a very nasty universe out there.
spendius
 
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Reply Sat 22 Aug, 2009 05:52 pm
@rosborne979,
That's ridiculous. I knew ros was into all that wierd stuff. Scaremongering.

Why would we want to exterminate cows and sheep or peach trees and tobacco plants and Dover Sole and racehorses and dogs that look up to us with piteous expressions?
roger
 
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Reply Sat 22 Aug, 2009 05:58 pm
@rosborne979,
This is indeed possible. So, how much money have we spent trying to contact random aliens?
Setanta
 
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Reply Sat 22 Aug, 2009 06:46 pm
@roger,
But . . . but . . . we sent them a message of peace, love and understanding ! ! !
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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Sat 22 Aug, 2009 09:06 pm
@rosborne979,
rosborne979 wrote:

Aliens may not even be out to capture/terraform our planet. They may not care a whit about hour planet. There's no reason to think that they don't simply seek and destroy any other species they can find. It might even be their religion to destroy any other species they encounter. There are even good reasons to think that extermination of any other species is the most logical action for survival of any given species. It could be a very nasty universe out there.


Sounds like an excellent way to commit suicide.
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rosborne979
 
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Reply Sat 22 Aug, 2009 09:08 pm
@roger,
roger wrote:
This is indeed possible. So, how much money have we spent trying to contact random aliens?

Not as much as we've spent to try to prevent people from smoking pot, or snorting cocaine or any of the other stuff they choose to do. And probably not as much as we [collectively] spend on gas to drive our lazy asses down the street to the store for a caffeine laced coffee and a fat clogged donut.

If aliens are watching us, they may find us too crazy to mess with, or too entertaining to worry about.
roger
 
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Reply Sat 22 Aug, 2009 09:36 pm
@rosborne979,
You understand that I was suggesting that it might not be such a hot idea at any price?
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sun 23 Aug, 2009 12:33 am
@spendius,
spendius wrote:

That's ridiculous. I knew ros was into all that wierd stuff. Scaremongering.

Why would we want to exterminate cows and sheep or peach trees and tobacco plants and
Dover Sole and racehorses and dogs that look up to us with piteous expressions?
R the Dover Soles able to DO that ?
roger
 
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Reply Sun 23 Aug, 2009 12:45 am
@OmSigDAVID,
If they do, in your perception, then they do. I have seen a few accusatory glances from lobsters, for example.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sun 23 Aug, 2009 01:02 am
@roger,

Thay have legitimate grievance against us. Maybe u saw resentment in his eyes ?
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rosborne979
 
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Reply Sun 23 Aug, 2009 03:37 pm
@roger,
roger wrote:
You understand that I was suggesting that it might not be such a hot idea at any price?

Yes. I just thought I would point out the obvious Wink
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 24 Aug, 2009 04:46 am
@rosborne979,
rosborne979 wrote:

roger wrote:
You understand that I was suggesting that it might not be such a hot idea at any price?

Yes. I just thought I would point out the obvious Wink

U were RIGHT: u woud.
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rosborne979
 
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Reply Tue 25 Aug, 2009 08:37 am
Over 10 years ago I read a Sci-Fi novel in which the author described in detail the ruthless logic of why any interstellar species would probably try to exterminate any other species it found. If I remember correctly the author was one of the "hard-scifi" writers who was also a physicist or astronomer. However, I can't for the life of me remember the name of the novel or the author. Are any of you familiar with this novel?

I remember the concept of the novel clearly because it was chilling in its relentless logic which supported the idea that other life in the universe might be logically motivated to do us harm if they found us. This was the first novel I have run across which drove the point home so realistically. I wish I could find it again because I can't remember the arguments being used to support the premise.
Setanta
 
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Reply Tue 25 Aug, 2009 11:20 am
Goddamn . . . what's so funny about peace, love and understanding ? ! ? ! ?
rosborne979
 
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Reply Tue 25 Aug, 2009 11:32 am
@Setanta,
Setanta wrote:
Goddamn . . . what's so funny about peace, love and understanding ? ! ? ! ?

I had enough of that back in the 60's. Now it's all about blood and guts and fear fear fear. The economy is collapsing, the terrorists are attacking, Congress if full of morons, information singularities loom over the horizon, and the god damn aliens may just hate us after all. Life is good.
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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Tue 25 Aug, 2009 02:54 pm
@rosborne979,
rosborne979 wrote:

Over 10 years ago I read a Sci-Fi novel in which the author described in detail the ruthless logic of why any interstellar species would probably try to exterminate any other species it found. If I remember correctly the author was one of the "hard-scifi" writers who was also a physicist or astronomer. However, I can't for the life of me remember the name of the novel or the author. Are any of you familiar with this novel?

I remember the concept of the novel clearly because it was chilling in its relentless logic which supported the idea that other life in the universe might be logically motivated to do us harm if they found us. This was the first novel I have run across which drove the point home so realistically. I wish I could find it again because I can't remember the arguments being used to support the premise.


It's not very logical, because the other species you meet will either be so far behind you that they couldn't possibly threaten you, or so far ahead that you couldn't possibly threaten them.
Setanta
 
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Reply Tue 25 Aug, 2009 03:02 pm
I don't see any reason for such an assumption. In fact, it seems logical that when a species reaches a certain level of both technological and social sophistication, they will be ready to become a space-faring species. If they're not, you're not going to meet them. But so long as any two species are space-faring, there is no reason to assume a great disparity between them.
spendius
 
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Reply Tue 25 Aug, 2009 03:22 pm
@Setanta,
When have we ever not done harm to any group we found that couldn't stop us.

Evolution demands that. European trawlers are taking most of the fish out of Senegalese waters as of now.
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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Tue 25 Aug, 2009 04:20 pm
@Setanta,
Setanta wrote:

I don't see any reason for such an assumption. In fact, it seems logical that when a species reaches a certain level of both technological and social sophistication, they will be ready to become a space-faring species. If they're not, you're not going to meet them. But so long as any two species are space-faring, there is no reason to assume a great disparity between them.

The universe is about 14 billion years old. Humans of today could crush humans from 100 years ago. The chances of a random encounter bringing together species so precisely at the same level that a fight would be meaningful are small.
 

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