Gender Challenge: Am I a woman or a man?

Fount is a man pretending to be a woman pretending to be a man pretending to be a woman.....


Or is that a woman pretending to be a man pretending to be a woman....



Julie Andrews or Robert Preston? We'll never know.

Just where exactly did we step through the looking glass?

"On a psychological note, anyone who loves their father more than their mother generally has massive Manson like issues."

Mmmm?


" For teachers, Girls are only motivated by their fathers expectations. Girls by their mothers."

Mmmm?


I think FoW is swinging a bat made of rolled up chenille here, even if the second one is a typo.
I promise myself to stop reading.

I was thinking that was a typo Osso. I think Fount meant "boys with their mother".

I asked the question because typically girls are closer with their fathers and boys with their mothers.

I was trying to explain not having a national identity which is quite difficult for those who have one. Some Jews consider themselves Jewish first, no matter where they live. Jews have a strong cultural identity but it is not necessarily tied to a place.
I'm saying that although I was bron and live in England my ties aren't necessarily there.

osso: I'm cured..finally too. The attention whore seems to have gone around the bend. This thread and this person's behavior are not worthy of this much attention. My curiosity has been satisified. Those comments and the one about Jewishness and no national identity cured it for me, if nothing else did. He/she/it CLEARLY understand nothing about which she speaks on psychology, particularly about social groups.

Cuts and blood do not make you queezy so you must be a man,
but you knew I'd say that so you must be a woman. However, I can see by the fact that you don't like Häagen-Dazs you must be a man, but I can only surmise by the fact that you've kept this question going for 28 pages that you are a Woman! Ha!

not me but a my mum was. She would move from Morrocco to Spain then France on a sort on circuit. Following crop harvests and local festivals where work could be had.
The second world war put a stop to that, plus borders becoming more serious. Goths weren't mainstream. In the big cities you could do it, but in the regions you would be persecuted too much.
I haven't really lived a varied life. I took a while to settle. Its like the Talking Heads Track.
I wake up and ask myself, what am I doing here.

I can't remember the goth Philosophy much but I think you had it right. There was a band called X ray Spex. Lead singer was called Polly Styrene. We figured that society is crap and we might as well name ourselves after pieces of worthless garbage. I titled myself as puey short for Pukestain, My partner was "Cat Litter" i had a friend called Tammy short for Tampax, and Uri short for Urinal stench. We weren't invited to many parties.

Love the names you gave eachother.

See, I'm still reading. What a fool.

I took it as boys with their fathers, girls with their mothers.. heh.
Not that I disagree with your take, Montana, though I think that people often get a less completely binary take as years move along.

I was drinking more then. And possibly inhaling herbals. I don't think we had a coherent plan. We bought clothes from charity shops and rejigged them. Fashion labels were the purest evil. Our slogan was you can by fashion, but you have to make style.
We were soundly beaten on that. People started wearing stupid fashion. blokes in Gallini and Froot of the Loom gear. St Michael was considered a brand. all sheep Baaaaa Baaaaa. We had a plan. we were going somewhere. I don't know where it all messed up.
Someone always makes money. And someone sticks to their principles. You are very cynical. At least I still believe that people are decent, even if I have the flimsiest of evidence.

Fount said:

Well, at least you guys had cat litter to absorb the urinal stench -I mean what else could they ask? Maybe the tampax threw them all over the edge though.

The reason I asked about the travelling lifestyle is that I find it so fascinating and different. It's unlike anything I've ever seen in America (granted, I lived mostly on the east coast and in fairly urban areas). Still, I can't really imagine it happening. The closest thing I've ever seen to it is the Amish in their buggies - but even they live in houses.

In some ways the lifestyle really appeals to me - and I know it's only from a totally romantic, impractical sense - you know- not being tied down by possessions, living on the road, getting up every day and doing whatever. Of course then I think of the fact that you can't take a bath or get warm if it's cold and rainy ...etc.

Still, I'd really like to study it. I'd like to talk to people who're still doing it. Talk to the kids and see how they like it, etc. I'm working with a girl right now who grew up travelling and she's a certified wheelwright among so many other things. She's had a fascinating life.

Just be yourself Fount...whatever that is. I hope you stick around. You're very funny and interesting.

Rag, if you are still here, I'm nodding to you.
Moving away slowly.


Editing a last comment before I exit (we'll see) -
the thing about girls and dads and sons and mothers, well, I've never been a freudian. Lots of people don't fit that.

I could be wrong Osso and it wouldn't be the first time.

Its true. If you ask any psychopath if they love the father more than their mother they'll say yes. The opposite is not necesarily true but there is some correlation.
For any career choice a girl takes, her mother is almost irrelevant. Girls what their fathers to be pleased with them. If their father takes no interest then they do less well at school. However "bad" fathers, ie alcoholic or absent have high achieving daughters. Its only if a man is actually violent to his wife (or equivilent) that things go wrong. That was where the theory was, But I am out of the loop. It more firmly based on evidence than most psychology. Its easy to measure tax returns and gender. Parental expectation is tricky. I think the study was trying to say divorce was bad.

That makes a lot of sense to me and rings familiar. Even though I was close with my mother, I had a stronger attachment to my father, even though he was an alcoholic who was absent from our lives for 7 years when my brother and I were children.
When my father finally went for help and sobered up, mom took him back and it was the happiest day of my life. Dad was an alcoholic, but was never ever abusive in any way.
Anyway, dad did construction work all his life (when he was sober. Couldn't function while he was a heavy drinker) and within 2 years of him being sober, he started his own construction business which grew quickly. By the time he died, he was doing quite well financially.
While dad had his business, I wanted him to be as proud of me as I was of him, so I went to work for dad, dispite my fear of heights and I made him proud, which made me a very happy girl.
My brother was closer to mom.

The trouble I've seen with travellers, and that is as a lifestyle, is that it gets a lot harder as you age. Most of us get possessions and such. A cushion against aging.
The people who go in to it arent the ones you expect. There are certainly a lot of "hippy new age types" but also a large number of ex military.More males than female, but the women tend to be passionate advocates. I would compare them to "mountain men" in that they are self reliant and can live of the land.
Modern Gypsies live in caravans, holiday vehicles for most peoples. Following construction sites and fairs. Dealing in scrap. They are blamed for crime. England is probably too cramped for nomads. But in Spain and France there is more space, and you get gypsy fortune tellers and musicians, traditionally hired for weddings.
All the gypsies over fourty seem to have chronic coughs, and complain of the cold. I bet America is a great place to travel around.
These are generalisations. But drawn from my limited experience. With travelling I'd say never carry money. You soon get to learn what self reliance is.

That is a heart warming story. Its quite rare to see people sort their lives out, so it was quite an achievement. Are you a woman working in construction? That must be hard.

And here's to being a misfit. Thanks for keeping me company. Raggers too.

Bugger self-reliance.

It's chimera anyway. Ridiculous as a choice.

And what if everybody did it?