Can you look at this map and say Israel does not systemically appropriate land?

Moment-in-Time wrote:

Oh Puhleez! Your exaggerated, emotional display of sentiment is pure theatrics! In America you would be surprised at the number of mixed marriages between Jews and non-Jews.....the number of practicing religious Jews is shrinking here, just like it is with most non-Jewish religions.

Foofie is governed by paranoia and a definite inferiority complex towards people who talk like me. I really resent having to look at my fellow countrymen to discover which of them are Jews just so I respond to his paranoid nonsense. As far as I'm concerned we're all British, regardless of colour or ethnicity, and I find it quite nauseating talking to someone who is more concerned about what makes us different than that which unites us.

I wish you would find birds of your own feather, and stop annoying some of us Americans with your cross-pond pontificating.

This frustration would have been the same had it been with Micronesian goals. The point is that the Palestinians’ goals were being usurped for someone else’s. Christmas lights don’t figure into the equation, sorry.

Are the Christmas lights a real torment, Foofie? Have you sought help for your persecution complex?

Not everything about Fluff nauseates me, just his insistence on reducing everything to crude racial stereotypes. In many ways he's a lot better than Advocate, he doesn't use the term anti-Semite like it's going out of fashion, and actually challenges Holocaust deniers like RL.

Advocate just fills out a tick box for what a Democrat voting supporter of Israel should think. He looks at Iraq and Israel as two completely separate issues, and refuses to see any crossover. This shows someone following a preselected stencil of how to behave, there's no real thinking behind it.

I want the Jewish people to have a home state, because for whatever reason, they are not all that welcome in other countries. The United States, once again for whatever reasons, has been very welcoming. Israel should set up shop within the borders of continental United States. They could work it out. And any Jews who want to live over there...can do so (along with any Arabs) under United Nations rules.

Frank Apisa wrote:

I want the Jewish people to have a home state, because for whatever reason, they are not all that welcome in other countries. The United States, once again for whatever reasons, has been very welcoming. Israel should set up shop within the borders of continental United States. They could work it out. And any Jews who want to live over there...can do so (along with any Arabs) under United Nations rules.

I do not think Israelis want to be like Mormons in Utah. I suspect they ALREADY have a national identity that has a middle eastern flavor, and a language that you would probably find hard to learn. You might have more luck in proselytizing Esperanto for Europe.

It's primarily about white colonists, the indigenous Jews have a pretty rough time as well, not nearly as bad as the Palestinians, but still quite unpleasant.

...In my opinion that, what you, Frank, call "trouble" started already earlier, namely when the first 'settlers' (aka colonists) arrived there in the late 19th/early 20th century.

Foofie wrote:

Franks, Goths, Visigoths?

The Franks wandered eastwards.
I'm not sure where the Goths and Visigoths "developed their own identities in western Europe".
(The Gauls were a celtic tribe.)

Foofie wrote:

I wish you would find birds of your own feather, and stop annoying some of us Americans with your cross-pond pontificating.

I wish you'd find people on your level. That way you wouldn't keep pestering those of us who understand what's going on by constantly asking for things to be dumbed down.

I would go along with this IF they would accept the Constitution and U S of A citizenship. If they are going to accept land, establish their own state within our borders, then start stealing land like they have in the middle east I forsee another civil war.

Well, I did learn that in the US military I was just another enlisted person. Only in civilian life is there the oftentimes jousting for who is higher on a pecking order in society. It is just one of my talents to see through people's phoniness. I'm inured though at this point. And, I can give it right back. You I do not need to know.

What's an "indigenous Jew"? And, what is a "white colonist," since there ain't no such animal as a "white." Perhaps, you mean Hebrew Aryan?

The Ostrogoths (Latin: Ostrogothi or Austrogothi) were a branch of the later Goths (the other major branch being the Visigoths). The Ostrogoths, under Theoderic the Great, established a kingdom in Italy in the late 5th and 6th centuries. The Ostrogoths traced their origins to the Greutungi and a semi-legendary kingdom north of the Black Sea in the 3rd and 4th centuries.

The Visigoths (Latin: Visigothi, Wisigothi, Vesi, Visi, Wesi, or Wisi) and Ostrogoths were branches of the nomadic tribes of Germanic peoples referred to collectively as the Goths. These tribes flourished and spread during the late Roman Empire in Late Antiquity, or the Migration Period. The Visigoths emerged from earlier Gothic groups (possibly the Thervingi) who had invaded the Roman Empire, beginning in 376, and had defeated the Romans at the Battle of Adrianople in 378.

I thought the Visigoths were "western" Goths, meaning they settled Spain. The regular Goths I have no idea.