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Can you look at this map and say Israel does not systemically appropriate land?

 
 
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Reply Wed 4 Sep, 2013 02:57 am
@izzythepush,
"There is no comparison between the brutal occupation of the West Bank and the way allied troops behave in Afghanistan. "

Yes there is . The only difference is that there are no Afghan attacks on London.

"Nelson Mandela and Desmond Tutu have both said Israel is an apartheid state."

So what? They understand Africa - they have no idea about the Middle East. I understand the Middle East - I don't understand Africa. No relation what so ever.

"Discrimination occurs all the time."

Discrimination not backed by law happens everywhere. According to this logic , the UK is also an apartheid state. We can keep going in circles if you are enjoying this. Brutal discrimination of immigrants in the UK:

http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2007/oct/07/immigration.immigrationandpublicservices

http://www.foreignersinuk.co.uk/legal_news-legal_news-are_workers_entitled_to_speak_in_their_first_language_4125.html

http://www.rudzkiandjones.co.uk/blog/record-discrimination-award-of-4-5-million-for-polish-doctor

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-16224062

0bserver
 
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Reply Wed 4 Sep, 2013 03:00 am
@izzythepush,
This is just unrelated. If you're a mayor of a city, taking care of the traffic doesn't mean you don't have to fight crime.
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Reply Wed 4 Sep, 2013 03:41 am
@0bserver,

izzythepush wrote:
Nelson Mandela and Desmond Tutu have both said Israel is an apartheid state.

Just a quick note (I don't have time to get caught up right now), but Mandela never said any such thing. Anti-Semitic scum just like to demean Mandela by falsely accusing him of being one of them.

I've no idea if that Tutu guy said it or not. Shame on him if he did though. And shame on the anti-Semites for falsely accusing him if he didn't.
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Reply Wed 4 Sep, 2013 03:47 am
@0bserver,
There is no comparison between what happens in Israel and what goes on in the UK. It is extremely disingenuous of you to try to make such a comparison. Our doctors don't forcibly sterilise black immigrants. Mandela and Tutu have never called the UK an apartheid state. Israel is an apartheid state. They know all about apartheid, and to claim that things are different because of conditions peculiar to the Middle East is a refusal to face facts.

Your example of the Polish doctor shows that our laws deal with discrimination. The Ethiopian women forcibly sterilised had no such protection. It took a campaigning newspaper like Haaretz to bring it to public attention, the law did nothing.
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Reply Wed 4 Sep, 2013 03:52 am
@izzythepush,
"forcibly sterilise black immigrants"?

and use the blood of Christian babies for Passover?.. any lies you can find, as long as they make your antisemitism gland happy
0bserver
 
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Reply Wed 4 Sep, 2013 03:54 am
@izzythepush,
your laws?

http://www.catererandhotelkeeper.co.uk/articles/10/6/2009/328124/polish-mcdonald-s-staff-lose-racial-discrimination-claim.htm


I repeat : 1st thing in the morning - look in the mirror, only then fix the rest of the world! Hypocrites..
izzythepush
 
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Reply Wed 4 Sep, 2013 03:55 am
@0bserver,
I'm not making anything up. You said the UK should not have given military assistance to Sierra Leone.

Quote:
When United Nations Human Rights Commissioner, Mary Robinson, visited recently, she said there had been more loss of life in Sierra Leone than in Kosovo. More suffering, more mutilations and more basic violations of human rights.

And it does not take much effort to see the results of what is happening in the Sierra Leone countryside.

Just a few hundred metres from where Mrs Robinson's helicopter landed, there is a camp for people displaced by the war. It specialises in helping those who have been mutilated by the Sierra Leonean rebels.

For many years now, the rebels have used terror as a deliberate tactic. They chop off people's limbs and then send the mutilated people, bleeding and traumatised, into the government-held areas, as a warning to others not to support the government.

Conservative estimates say this has happened to around 10,000 people.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/from_our_own_correspondent/383985.stm

Despite your disapproval, the UK stopped this.
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Reply Wed 4 Sep, 2013 03:57 am
@izzythepush,
I said I had no opinion - can't you read? As for Africa in general - I think it needs education.
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Reply Wed 4 Sep, 2013 04:05 am
@0bserver,
0bserver wrote:
You are just one more proof of that - you want to boycott Israel for human right violations, but you don't want to boycott Russia, China, Saudi Arabia etc. Just because Israel is a Jewish country and the others are not. That's all.


It's not because Israel is Jewish, it's because Western Governments treat Israel highly favourably. It's all about WHITEEuropeans and Americans stomping all over the rights of the indigenous people. The reason I boycott Israel is exactly the same as why I boycotted South Africa. The only difference is that South Africa wasn't able to play the anti-Semitism card or exploit the Holocaust in the way Israel does.

You've got things totally arse over tit. People don't criticise Israel because they're Jewish, Israel gets away with stuff no other "democracy" could even think about doing purely because they're Jewish.

Despite your claims of being against anti-Semitism, and using it as a handy tool to stifle all criticism of Israel, you've still to challenge RL's Holocaust denial. Do you need another link? You're not concerned about real anti-Semitism at all, only when you can use it to Israel's advantage.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Wed 4 Sep, 2013 04:07 am
@0bserver,
I can read, you said military aid wasn't appropriate. That's not the same as not having an opinion.
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Reply Wed 4 Sep, 2013 04:12 am
@0bserver,
0bserver wrote:

"forcibly sterilise black immigrants"?

and use the blood of Christian babies for Passover?.. any lies you can find, as long as they make your antisemitism gland happy


That's right use the anti-Semitism card to avoid facing the truth. Black immigrants were forcibly sterilised.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/eliseknutsen/2013/01/28/israel-foribly-injected-african-immigrant-women-with-birth-control/

Here's the article again. Remember the story originated in Haaretz, an Israeli paper. I guess they must be self-loathing Jews, that's the other lie Israel supporters use to discredit the truth when anti-Semitism won't wash.

Quote:
This weekend, a report revealing that African women immigrating to Israel were subjected to mandatory contraceptive injections, effectively amounting to forced (if temporary) sterilization made global headlines.

Some 130,000 Ethiopians, most of them Jewish, live in Israel. The community experiences higher poverty and unemployment rates than the rest of the country’s Jewish population. In the past decade, the birth rate among Ethiopian-Israelis has declined by at least 20 percent. Advocacy groups now claim this decline is the result of a birth control regimen forced upon Ethiopian immigrant women.

According to an article in Haaretz, an Israeli news source, one Ethiopian immigrant said that the doctors who injected her claimed that “people who frequently give birth suffer.” While it is possible, if highly unlikely, that doctors genuinely had the women’s health in mind when they forcibly injected them with contraceptives, there is no excuse for depriving women sovereignty over their own reproductive choices.

Israel has acknowledged the issue (without admitting any wrongdoing) and has vowed institutional changes in healthcare for immigrants. By decree of Israel’s health minister, gynecologists have been ordered “not to renew prescriptions for Depo-Provera for women of Ethiopian origin if for any reason there is concern that they might not understand the ramifications of the treatment.”
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Reply Wed 4 Sep, 2013 04:14 am
@0bserver,
Requiring employees to speak English is not racial discrimination. It stops those who do not speak another language from feeling left out.
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Reply Wed 4 Sep, 2013 04:16 am
@izzythepush,
"It's all about WHITEEuropeans and Americans stomping all over the rights of the indigenous people."

Complete nonsense! You like this story, because it worked for you once in SA, and now you think you have one tool that will always work. The World is not this simple, unfortunately.

1. Jews are about as "white" as Arabs
2. Israel has an Ethiopian born miss Israel, it had an Iranian born president, numerous Arab members of Knesset and ministers, "dark-skinned" as you call them millioners, army generals, and Arab supreme court judge.

You have no idea what you're talking about. You need to change your record from the old SA story - it is just irrelevant. Israel is as similar to SA as is UK .

Israel does not "play the anti-Semitism card". Antisemitism is well and alive. Much more in Europe than in states who are actually at war with Israel. Old habits don't change. It's very easy to say "I only opose Israel - not the Jews" and then ignore all other countreis. Sorry - that's antisemitism. Here's UK media for you on this exactly:

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/its-official-thanks-to-stephen-hawkings-israel-boycott-antisemitism-is-no-more-8621112.html

"still to challenge RL's Holocaust denial. "

What? It needs to be challenged? Are you also one of them?
0bserver
 
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Reply Wed 4 Sep, 2013 04:18 am
@izzythepush,
Yes it is. Basic xenophobia
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Reply Wed 4 Sep, 2013 04:21 am
@izzythepush,
I've heard this story before. It is not at all proven. It would make no sense. Israel arranged for complicated airlift missions to bring them from Ethiopia - if they didn't want them, why would they ever do that?

Your story makes no sense, even if someone somewhere told something to Haaretz reporter. So what?
izzythepush
 
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Reply Wed 4 Sep, 2013 04:22 am
@0bserver,
Israel is a xenophobic country, I'm glad you're finally starting to see the truth.
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Reply Wed 4 Sep, 2013 04:23 am
@izzythepush,
I said for Africa in general, investing in education is much more important than military aid. I still think that's right. And once again, I have no opinion on SL - I don't know well enough what mess exactly went on there, and how the intervention affected it.
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Reply Wed 4 Sep, 2013 04:24 am
@0bserver,
0bserver wrote:

I've heard this story before. It is not at all proven.


Such a willing desire to swallow bullshit. Goebbels would have loved someone as receptive as you. From the article.

Quote:
Israel has acknowledged the issue
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Reply Wed 4 Sep, 2013 04:24 am
@izzythepush,
Israel is no more xenophobic than the UK
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Reply Wed 4 Sep, 2013 04:26 am
@izzythepush,
I'm not taking for granted anything. Not what you say and not what any Israeli official says. Interestingly, you don't believe anything they say, until it suddenly suits your agenda. You are the Goebbels follower here
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